1 00:00:01,592 --> 00:00:16,034 听译/校对/时间轴：普赖尔蒂斯@豆瓣 2 00:00:38,608 --> 00:00:40,883 1880年代末起 since the late 1880s 3 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:43,461 视觉艺术家和讲故事的人 visual artist and story-tellers 4 00:00:43,462 --> 00:00:46,990 开始使用活动影像来创造神奇的世界 have used moving images to create amazing worlds 5 00:00:49,832 --> 00:00:51,690 电影给我们启示 movies have inspired us 6 00:00:53,908 --> 00:00:56,973 激励我们并捕获我们的想象 thrilled us and capture our imaginations 7 00:00:58,254 --> 00:01:02,248 胶片，曾帮助我们分享经验和梦想 film, has helped us to share our experiences and dreams 8 00:01:05,196 --> 00:01:08,168 100年来，化学胶片曾经是 photo chemical film, has been the exclusive format 9 00:01:08,169 --> 00:01:13,180 捕获、冲显、放映和储存动态影像 capture, develop, project and store moving images 10 00:01:13,181 --> 00:01:15,088 的唯一格式 for over 100 years 11 00:01:21,340 --> 00:01:24,683 近些年才发展起一种新技术 it was only resently that a new technology had immerged 12 00:01:24,699 --> 00:01:29,575 正挑战着胶片所代表的影像质量和工作流程的黄金地位 that challenging film place of gold standards for quality and workflow 13 00:01:30,685 --> 00:01:33,611 数字技术已经进化到可以替代胶片 digital technology is evolving to a point that 14 00:01:33,612 --> 00:01:36,444 执行最主要的任务： means very well replace film as the prirary mean 15 00:01:36,445 --> 00:01:40,066 创造和分享动态影像 of creating and sharing motion pictures 16 00:01:40,573 --> 00:01:43,451 这部记录作品叫《side by side》 the documentary doing is called side by side 17 00:01:43,756 --> 00:01:48,493 涉及到数字电影的科学、艺术和影响 it's the documentary about science, art and impact of digital cinema 18 00:01:48,565 --> 00:01:51,583 一百年的化学胶片发展 100 years of photo chemical film making 19 00:01:52,210 --> 00:01:56,436 目前已经到达了一个临界状态 right now it reached a kind of threshold of tipping point 20 00:01:57,114 --> 00:02:01,492 这场对话，这个时间点 in this conversaton, in this intersection of time 21 00:02:01,493 --> 00:02:02,607 是历史性的 is historic 22 00:02:02,686 --> 00:02:05,612 我们怕是已经来到了 we've kind of come to this place where 23 00:02:05,613 --> 00:02:08,677 胶片的末日 it is the end of film 24 00:02:08,699 --> 00:02:10,928 我们今在何方 where are we today 25 00:02:11,201 --> 00:02:15,287 这很令人兴奋，因为这是重新创造的新媒介 it's exciting, because it's a re-invention of new medium 26 00:02:16,755 --> 00:02:21,028 如果化学摄影法可以承载我们文化中的美德 if the photo chemical process has virtues through our culture 27 00:02:22,326 --> 00:02:23,766 另一形式有何不可？ why aren't you another level 28 00:02:24,577 --> 00:02:26,295 关键是你怎么用它讲故事 how do you use it to tell a story 29 00:02:26,312 --> 00:02:28,541 怎么用它去描绘一个场景 how do you use it to paint apicture 30 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:31,439 您算和胶片一刀两断了吗？ are you done with film 31 00:02:31,801 --> 00:02:33,575 不要故意带我，基努 don’t hold me to it, Keanu 32 00:02:33,578 --> 00:02:34,922 不过 but… 33 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:36,399 我想是的 I think I am 34 00:02:37,918 --> 00:02:43,305 数字摄影机是电影业的新美学手段 digital cameras are the new aesthetic that coming to cinema 35 00:02:43,500 --> 00:02:48,422 同时我们又哀悼胶片的衰落 and at the same time we are going to mourn the loss of film 36 00:02:49,781 --> 00:02:53,636 我清楚知道在哪、为什么要用胶片拍电影 I am costly(?) to justify where and why I shoot a film by film 37 00:02:53,909 --> 00:03:00,579 不过实话说我没听说过谁知道为啥一定要用数字拍电影 But I don’t hear anybody being honestly to justify why they want to shoot a film digitally 38 00:03:00,746 --> 00:03:04,322 我希望我所想象的一切都能真实展示 I want everything I could imagine to be something we can realize 39 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:09,690 不过胶片很难实现这一点 I saw the door opening on a field of possibility that you just couldn’t do it with film 40 00:03:10,622 --> 00:03:13,269 如今比较悲哀的是 It’s really sad right now 41 00:03:13,316 --> 00:03:18,099 摄影开始批量使用数码技术 to see cameras cording imagery a serial way 42 00:03:18,595 --> 00:03:21,195 取代胶片 starting to take over film 43 00:03:21,195 --> 00:03:25,111 {\a6}胶片拍摄 44 00:03:21,396 --> 00:03:25,111 我才不要把油画换成蜡笔画（画面质感） I’m not gonna trade my oil paintings to seta crayons 45 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,600 {\a6}数字拍摄 46 00:03:28,267 --> 00:03:31,750 有人看好数字技术 there will be people who will chip in digital 47 00:03:31,751 --> 00:03:36,023 也有人不仅想杀掉这只生金蛋的鹅 there will be people who will not only kill the goose lay the golden egg 48 00:03:36,024 --> 00:03:39,297 还要在之前把它搞的一团糟 they’ll sort of mess it first 49 00:03:39,251 --> 00:03:41,620 如果数字技术取代胶片 if the intention of that digital will replace film 50 00:03:41,621 --> 00:03:45,871 恰恰是因为我们所讨厌它的一些方面，那很悲哀 I’ll be sad if it's doing acturally exactly where we hate it 51 00:03:48,915 --> 00:03:53,838 因为数字能够做的胶片效果胶片自然可以做到更好 because that digital now can make it look like film that film is inherently better 52 00:03:53,839 --> 00:03:55,768 就因为我们喜欢这种更好的感觉 just we like the way it looks better 53 00:03:55,769 --> 00:03:58,555 （就否定数字技术）这有点专断 which seems kind of arbitrary that we were used to 54 00:03:59,614 --> 00:04:01,983 胶片是19世纪的发明 film is a 19th century invention 55 00:04:02,098 --> 00:04:04,559 我们已经到达了化学照相法的顶峰 we are on the top of photo chemical process 56 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:06,278 很难再有进步 this is about as far as ever we can go 57 00:04:06,827 --> 00:04:08,591 数字技术发展至今 digital is here now 58 00:04:08,705 --> 00:04:09,820 还有很长的路要走 but it’s gonna keep going 59 00:04:10,361 --> 00:04:11,619 你会是数字发展的参与者 and you’re gonna be part of that 60 00:04:11,620 --> 00:04:13,801 参与者将决定数字技术的未来 who’s be gonna be a part of that dictating where that goes 61 00:04:14,453 --> 00:04:15,885 我觉得胶片不会怎样 I don’t think films going anywhere 62 00:04:15,886 --> 00:04:20,948 我觉得完全摒弃胶片无论对人还是影片画面都不能 I don’t think it’s to the image or anybody to totally eliminate film 63 00:04:20,949 --> 00:04:23,177 会有很多人加入我们，为胶片而战 there gonna be many of us, they’ll fight for film 64 00:04:23,272 --> 00:04:25,223 为在感光剂上摄影的经验而战 fight for the experience of shooting on emulsion 65 00:04:26,871 --> 00:04:30,865 我们处于某种变革的迷雾中 we really are in the mist of some sort of revolution 66 00:04:30,866 --> 00:04:33,698 这种变革威胁到影片的基本质量 that threatens the status qual 67 00:04:33,699 --> 00:04:38,017 所以这既是可怕的又是自由的 it’s so potentially either scary thing or very liberating thing 68 00:04:38,334 --> 00:04:45,718 阴阳相成 69 00:04:52,647 --> 00:04:55,241 电影制作第一步： one of the first steps of production process 70 00:04:55,242 --> 00:04:58,802 捕获影像 is capturing the images in camera 71 00:04:59,366 --> 00:05:03,711 导演、演员、摄像师和全体制作组 the director, actors, cinematographer and the entire production team 72 00:05:03,712 --> 00:05:06,173 共同努力把剧本变活 work together to bring the script to life 73 00:05:07,390 --> 00:05:12,034 摄像技师，也叫摄影指导或DP the cinematographer, also called the director of photography or DP 74 00:05:12,469 --> 00:05:15,162 帮助导演达成电影的影像效果 helps the director achieve the look of the movie 75 00:05:16,178 --> 00:05:19,615 DP的职责在于决定摄影装备 the DP is responsible for knowing what equipment is needed 76 00:05:19,616 --> 00:05:22,726 以及了解其摄影原理 and how it works in order to capture the scenes 77 00:05:28,103 --> 00:05:33,085 摄影指导要注意颜色和构图 a director of photography looks at color and composition 78 00:05:30,918 --> 00:05:35,862 {\a6}大卫 芬奇 导演 （社交网络/搏击会/七宗罪） 79 00:05:33,086 --> 00:05:38,148 以及角度和其它构成电影的元素 and angles and all those things in terms of how the movie is being built 80 00:05:38,515 --> 00:05:41,255 光照到皮肤的效果，光穿过头发的效果 the quality of light of skin, the quality of light through hair, 81 00:05:41,256 --> 00:05:44,367 光透过窗户再从地板反射的效果 the quality of light through the window and bouncing off the floor 82 00:05:45,111 --> 00:05:48,734 这些都要等同真实世界的构造 they’re equating the building of this world 83 00:05:48,821 --> 00:05:51,890 和真实世界的 and terms of energy 84 00:05:51,894 --> 00:05:54,773 能量反射效果 that reflects off objects 85 00:05:54,774 --> 00:05:58,581 问题是 the question is about 86 00:05:58,582 --> 00:06:02,028 构图，情感，怎么去让人感觉 framing, sensibility, how to make people feel 87 00:06:02,028 --> 00:06:05,028 {\a6}迈克尔 查普曼，摄影 （出租车司机/愤怒的公牛/粗野少年） 88 00:06:02,168 --> 00:06:04,769 把情绪付诸光线 bringing emotion into the lights 89 00:06:04,770 --> 00:06:06,884 基于要恰当的处理光线 comes from being appropriate and somehow being 90 00:06:06,885 --> 00:06:09,670 不过最棒的是要高于“恰当” the really great is, more than appropriate 91 00:06:09,671 --> 00:06:11,946 真正让人惊奇的是 they really startle you with how wonderfully 92 00:06:11,946 --> 00:06:14,871 我能如何漂亮的展现所有动作 I could have this look is on whatever they’re doing 93 00:06:11,964 --> 00:06:14,871 {\a6}出租车司机，1976 94 00:06:15,596 --> 00:06:20,797 这种专业技术水平上 That level of crossmanship? or technical expertise 95 00:06:17,596 --> 00:06:20,670 {\a6}约翰 马西森，摄影 （角斗士/浪人47/X战警：第一战） 96 00:06:20,798 --> 00:06:22,422 你没法解释自己要做什么 You can’t explain what you’re gonna do 97 00:06:22,423 --> 00:06:25,441 所以他们必须把你当回事 so there is a certain matter of leap of faith that they have to having you 98 00:06:26,100 --> 00:06:29,100 {\a6}现代启示录，1979 99 00:06:30,670 --> 00:06:33,670 {\a6}维托里奥 斯托拉罗，摄影 （现代启示录/末代皇帝/小活佛） 100 00:06:28,332 --> 00:06:30,515 作为摄影师 To be a cinematographer 101 00:06:30,516 --> 00:06:33,859 要有艺术方面的知识 is to have the knowledge of the art 102 00:06:33,860 --> 00:06:40,500 毫无疑问，电影是一种利用科技实现的综合艺术 Without any doubt, cinema today is a mix of art in technology 103 00:06:41,670 --> 00:06:44,670 {\a6}大卫 斯坦普，视觉特效 （X战警，X战警2，火星人玩转地球） 104 00:06:40,592 --> 00:06:44,121 如今在这个领域还要懂点技术才行 Today, in this area, you also have to be a bit of technician 105 00:06:44,122 --> 00:06:45,514 你得懂设备 You have to know the equipment 106 00:06:45,514 --> 00:06:51,598 明白成像流程的所有环节对DP来说非常重要 It’s really important for DP to understand the entire links of the image chain 107 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,499 从获取到开掘 From acquisition to excavation 108 00:07:07,300 --> 00:07:09,761 摄像机是测量光子并使其聚焦 The camera is a tool that focuses and measures 109 00:07:09,762 --> 00:07:12,594 并以图片形式将其记录的工具 Photons of light and record them in images 110 00:07:14,210 --> 00:07:15,835 通过胶片摄像机 With a film camera 111 00:07:15,836 --> 00:07:19,922 光透过镜头并照射到电影胶片上 Light enter through the lens and hits the frame film behind the lens 112 00:07:21,836 --> 00:07:26,758 胶片表面覆有含卤化银晶体颗粒的乳剂 The film is covered emulsion that contain grains of silver halides crystals 113 00:07:27,647 --> 00:07:30,573 这些晶体在光照下会发生化学反应 These crystals react chemically when light hits them 114 00:07:30,745 --> 00:07:34,102 显影时晶体会转化为金属银 And the crystal change to silver metal when they are developed 115 00:07:34,598 --> 00:07:38,127 这样拍摄的影像就在胶片上形成了 A photograph image is formed on the film 116 00:07:40,102 --> 00:07:43,102 {\a6}瑞德 穆拉诺，摄影 （冰冻之河/小小鸟/为了艾伦） 117 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:44,851 对于胶片的质感和颗粒感 There is something about the texture of the grain structure of film 118 00:07:44,852 --> 00:07:51,260 我个人会调整直到觉得舒服 That personally I hold on till it’s like a comforting thing to me 119 00:07:51,312 --> 00:07:53,912 这种感觉更像是可触的 And it feels more tangible 120 00:07:54,751 --> 00:07:58,280 我打开并轻击它们的时候很有质感 How I open up and flip themselves give sort of touch of quality 121 00:07:59,102 --> 00:08:02,102 {\a6}布拉德福德 杨，摄影 （作品都是没听过的独立制作，就不翻了…） 122 00:07:58,524 --> 00:08:01,403 这种图片的颗粒感 Still have some granularity in the image that 123 00:08:01,404 --> 00:08:04,375 可以让强光生动 keeps high light living and keeps blacks 124 00:08:04,376 --> 00:08:06,000 并赋予暗光更多微妙特性 with a little bit more nuance characters in them 125 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:08,400 {\a6}迪克 蒲伯，摄影 （秘密与谎言/魔术师/无忧无虑） 126 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,065 我热爱颗粒感和纹理 I greaten grain and texture 127 00:08:09,065 --> 00:08:13,012 它们能给你多种多样的选择 they give you a variety of different opportunities 128 00:08:09,065 --> 00:08:12,065 {\a6}魔术师，2006 129 00:08:14,208 --> 00:08:15,833 胶片拍摄的基本流程 The workflow on the film set 130 00:08:15,834 --> 00:08:20,338 就是你要带上几千尺的胶片 Basically means that you take thousand-foot load of film 131 00:08:20,339 --> 00:08:22,567 装到胶卷盒里 loaded in to the magazines 132 00:08:22,617 --> 00:08:28,283 每卷也就够你拍个10分钟多点 And that enable you to shoot for roughly 10+ minutes per roll of film 133 00:08:31,103 --> 00:08:34,122 接着是休息时间 And it gives a natural break of action 134 00:08:34,123 --> 00:08:36,722 这时候有人把拍满的胶卷拽出来 when someone pulls the magazine off the camera 135 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:38,486 再把新胶卷放进去 And put a new magazine on 136 00:08:40,210 --> 00:08:44,064 接着这些胶片会被送到胶片实验室 Then the film goes away to the film lab 137 00:08:45,069 --> 00:08:47,623 过夜显影 And it developed over night 138 00:08:47,625 --> 00:08:49,853 然后冲印 And printed 139 00:08:56,428 --> 00:08:59,121 第二天样片出炉 And in the next day, you could see dailys 140 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,554 有好多年这都是一件乐事 There was a joy for many many years 141 00:09:04,889 --> 00:09:07,889 {\a6}珊迪 希瑟，摄影 （拜见布朗一家/早安孟买/阶梯下的恶魔） 142 00:09:04,555 --> 00:09:08,640 因为我们是片场幽灵 For us to be the genes on set 143 00:09:08,641 --> 00:09:10,544 所以我们热爱样片 That’s why we like dailys 144 00:09:10,545 --> 00:09:13,842 我们都去表演，我们喜欢这样 We’d all go, we’d act, we’d like 145 00:09:13,843 --> 00:09:15,746 我们爱干嘛干嘛，也喜欢我们干的事 We’d do all we do, and we’d love what we did 146 00:09:15,747 --> 00:09:17,464 接着每个人都入了迷 and then everybody would rapt 147 00:09:17,465 --> 00:09:19,647 然后第二天一早我们回实验室的时候 and the next morning we came back in the lab 148 00:09:19,648 --> 00:09:21,736 我们都惊呼：看看我们都干了些什么 We went “wow, look what we got.” 149 00:09:21,737 --> 00:09:22,873 这真是神奇 You know it was magic 150 00:09:23,746 --> 00:09:26,746 {\a6}唐纳 麦卡派恩，摄影 （金刚狼/红磨坊/铁血战士） 151 00:09:22,874 --> 00:09:25,427 摄影指导是魔术师 The director of photography was a magician 152 00:09:25,691 --> 00:09:29,963 他是唯一真正可能知道 He was the only? one who actually, probably knew 153 00:09:29,964 --> 00:09:32,192 第二天样片会怎么样的人 what’s gonna beyond the screen the next day 154 00:09:32,457 --> 00:09:35,754 这给了你不少权利和伙伴 And this gets you a lot of authority and pal 155 00:09:36,420 --> 00:09:40,079 拍摄的时候你得有种鉴定的信念 There is a certain believe of faith you take when you shoot the film 156 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:42,365 这很浪漫的 And there are something really romantic about that 157 00:09:42,365 --> 00:09:46,591 样片回来每个人都兴冲冲想看看你拍了些什么 Get your dailys back and everyone being really excited to see what you got 158 00:09:46,786 --> 00:09:51,059 我不喜欢被样片背叛 I don’t like the betrayal of dailys 159 00:09:51,060 --> 00:09:57,049 我不喜欢去全神贯注的看表演时候 I don’t like going in and seeing and getting swept up with the performance 160 00:09:57,050 --> 00:10:00,950 在25尺的屏幕上发现拍摄失焦了 And then seeing go out focus on 25-foot screen 161 00:10:00,951 --> 00:10:04,387 而且还知道这重来不了 and knowing that there’s no way to retrieve that 162 00:10:04,387 --> 00:10:08,387 {\a6}罗伯特 罗德里格兹，导演/摄影 （罪恶之城/非常小特务/墨西哥往事） 163 00:10:04,388 --> 00:10:06,466 拍电影的时候有种感觉 But in like a film about that feeling 164 00:10:06,467 --> 00:10:09,020 过了半天一天 midway to the day, end of the day 165 00:10:09,021 --> 00:10:11,203 真的拍了什么东西吗？我想不起来我拍了点啥 did we get anything, that day? I didn’t remember, I didn’t get it 166 00:10:11,302 --> 00:10:13,577 因为你看不见所以没有拍过的痕迹 Didn’t feel we put the flag in it cause you couldn’t see 167 00:10:13,578 --> 00:10:15,249 就像关了灯画画 it’s like painting with the lights off 168 00:10:15,249 --> 00:10:16,782 但是DP会告诉你： But the DP will tell you: 169 00:10:16,783 --> 00:10:19,568 没啊，灯没关，都在我脑子里呢 it’s not, the lights aren’t off, it’s in my head 170 00:10:19,864 --> 00:10:21,304 在他脑子里，这不错 It’s in his head, well that’s great 171 00:10:21,305 --> 00:10:22,836 但扛摄像机的不是我 but I’m off bringing the camera 172 00:10:22,837 --> 00:10:25,576 选镜头的也不是我，我就管表演怎么样 picking the lenses, I’m judging the performances 173 00:10:27,602 --> 00:10:30,435 数位摄像机不使用胶片 A digital camera does not use film 174 00:10:30,531 --> 00:10:35,175 相对的，镜头后是电子传感器或芯片 Instead, it has an electronic sensor or chip behind the lens 175 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:39,900 传感器由许多微小的图像元素构成 The sensor, is made up with millions of tiny picture elements 176 00:10:39,901 --> 00:10:41,860 或简称像素 or pixels for short 177 00:10:42,825 --> 00:10:44,451 当光进入摄像机的时候 when light enters the camera 178 00:10:44,452 --> 00:10:49,000 击打像素并产生各自独立的电子电荷 it hit the pixels and create individual electronic charges 179 00:10:49,267 --> 00:10:54,700 这些电荷被放大后转化为代表图像的数位信息 these charges are magnifying converted into digital data that represent the image 180 00:10:57,900 --> 00:11:00,900 {\a6}大卫 塔特肖，摄影 （星球大战1-3/极速赛车手/绿里奇迹） 181 00:10:55,779 --> 00:10:58,751 用胶片拍摄由于它一直在转 ring the film that it just constantly moving 182 00:10:58,752 --> 00:11:01,689 所以总有点模糊 So the result is kind of fuzziness 183 00:11:03,452 --> 00:11:05,821 而像素这样的东西 well the pixel kind 184 00:11:05,822 --> 00:11:11,301 是非常细致精确的 is very fine-line, accurate, exact thing 185 00:11:18,307 --> 00:11:20,443 用带显示器的数位摄像机 with digital cameras in monitors 186 00:11:20,444 --> 00:11:24,715 你能在拍摄的同时观看拍下的东西 you are able to see exactly what you are recording on sight as you’re shooting 187 00:11:26,458 --> 00:11:27,991 不同于胶片摄像机 unlike film cameras 188 00:11:27,992 --> 00:11:30,731 你不用等上一天才能看自己拍了些什么 you don’t have to wait a day to see what you’ve captured 189 00:11:31,275 --> 00:11:32,715 样片不再是“隔天的” they’re no longer dailys 190 00:11:33,186 --> 00:11:35,369 而是“即取的” they are “immediatelys” 191 00:11:37,443 --> 00:11:40,443 {\a6}费尔 麦休克斯 （皇家赌场/佐罗传奇/蓝精灵） 192 00:11:35,749 --> 00:11:38,536 你坐在片场或帐篷什么的地方 You sit round back of the set or in the tent somewhere 193 00:11:38,537 --> 00:11:40,254 看着巨型显示器 looking at the huge monitor 194 00:11:40,254 --> 00:11:41,635 然后通过这个作调整 and make adjustment from that 195 00:11:41,636 --> 00:11:42,843 这和现场调整没什么两样 which is actually quite alike 196 00:11:42,844 --> 00:11:45,629 因为你看到画面就是现场 because that means you seeing the picture exactly it is 197 00:11:45,630 --> 00:11:47,722 用胶片的话，一个拍摄 And with old film, a capture 198 00:11:47,723 --> 00:11:49,998 要过夜才能看，而且有时会担心 it was overnight and sometime you got the burden 199 00:11:49,999 --> 00:11:51,438 我是不是拍的没问题 that “I wonder if I go there right” 200 00:11:51,809 --> 00:11:55,710 (?)我认为不管样片有多好都得有个后备措施 (?)I think we need more backine and don’t worry how great daily is 201 00:11:52,843 --> 00:11:55,843 {\a6}乔治 卢卡斯，导演/制片人 （星球大战1-4/500年后/美国风情画） 202 00:11:56,394 --> 00:11:59,041 谁都知道看样片怎么回事 They know as well as anybody that you go to dailys 203 00:11:59,042 --> 00:12:01,409 不过我真觉得应该有更多后备措施 and I really think there should be more backline in there 204 00:12:01,410 --> 00:12:02,896 你要是在片场干过 But If you do it on the set 205 00:12:02,897 --> 00:12:05,310 就知道后备措施的重要性了 You can understand it, more backlines 206 00:12:06,363 --> 00:12:08,732 （数位摄像）实现了这点，这很好，就是我想要的 And they do it, it’s ok cause that is exactly what I want 207 00:12:08,733 --> 00:12:11,054 因为在电影院放出来也是这样 cause it exactly is the way could be in the movie theater 208 00:12:11,410 --> 00:12:12,525 人们都这么说： People speak about: 209 00:12:12,526 --> 00:12:14,382 谢天谢地，我能看见我正在拍的东西 thank god, I can see what I’m getting on 210 00:12:14,383 --> 00:12:16,147 我不用等到明天早上了 I don’t have to wait until tomorrow 211 00:12:16,148 --> 00:12:18,655 我能更专注，我知道我在拍什么 I can see it and focus on it I know what I’m getting 212 00:12:19,732 --> 00:12:22,732 {\a6}克里斯托弗 诺兰，导演 （黑暗骑士/盗梦空间/记忆碎片） 213 00:12:18,723 --> 00:12:20,581 在片场看显示器 few watching the monitor on set 214 00:12:20,582 --> 00:12:23,197 你觉得你真的看到你拍的东西了 and you feel that you really seeing what you’ve got 215 00:12:23,198 --> 00:12:24,544 其实这种想法欺骗了你 this thinking is fooling yourself 216 00:12:24,545 --> 00:12:29,560 你的观众是要在1000倍大的屏幕上看这些东西 Your audience are gonna watch the film on the screen is 1000 times bigger 217 00:12:29,561 --> 00:12:31,371 你只是在大电视上看 you watch it on large TV 218 00:12:32,570 --> 00:12:35,310 没错，你能看见自己拍了什么，就在那 Yes, you see what you get it, that’s right there 219 00:12:36,227 --> 00:12:39,227 {\a6}马丁 斯科塞斯，导演 纽约黑帮/出租车司/机好家伙 220 00:12:36,227 --> 00:12:39,013 我的经验建议之后再看拍的东西 Proof for me that I think you need to see rushes later 221 00:12:39,527 --> 00:12:41,756 我认为这是集中精力的方法 I think it’s concentrate 222 00:12:42,073 --> 00:12:45,097 表演或仅仅是动作 But the performances or just the movement 223 00:12:45,098 --> 00:12:47,977 你可以在特定的时间去看 that is something you can see in a special time 224 00:12:48,279 --> 00:12:54,502 摄制电影的过程是摄影指导的技术和秘密 The process of shooting film was the DP’s art and secret 225 00:12:54,560 --> 00:12:57,560 {\a6}查理 何兹费得，特艺彩色纽约市场部高级副总裁 226 00:12:54,583 --> 00:12:58,810 现在摄影师只是数位摄影前面的显示器 Today the cinematographer is a monitor on the digital shoot 227 00:12:58,811 --> 00:13:04,800 他们拍什么都能被看见，并任人评判 and everything they are doing could seen, criticized and questioned 228 00:13:05,752 --> 00:13:07,748 有时这挺让人分心的 It’s very distractive sometimes 229 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:10,800 {\a6}乔 舒马赫，导演 （永远的蝙蝠侠/电话亭/粗野少年） 230 00:13:07,749 --> 00:13:10,117 我和几个演员一起工作 I work with a couple of actors 231 00:13:10,118 --> 00:13:14,795 每天坚持和其中某一个看（样片） that insist on I’m look at it everyday with one of the actors 232 00:13:14,796 --> 00:13:16,421 我可以边看边说 I was able to talk among of it 233 00:13:16,422 --> 00:13:18,929 因为这能让他的表演变得非常自信 because it’s making his performances very self-conscious 234 00:13:18,976 --> 00:13:19,858 是吗？ Right? 235 00:13:19,859 --> 00:13:23,999 你是不是听说他们都只看他们的头发而已？ Are you also convinced that everybody is just looking at their hair? 236 00:13:24,604 --> 00:13:28,458 作为摄影师最大乐趣之一 One of the great pleasure that being a cameraman was 237 00:13:28,459 --> 00:13:32,136 那些尊崇制片人意愿的人 that the people who was the suits on the producer 238 00:13:32,137 --> 00:13:33,214 他们都觉得自己知道怎么表演 They all think they know how to act 239 00:13:33,215 --> 00:13:34,458 他们都觉得自己知道怎么写剧本 they all think they know how to write 240 00:13:34,459 --> 00:13:35,572 他们都觉得自己知道怎么导演 they all think they know how to direct 241 00:13:35,573 --> 00:13:37,254 但是他们都知道自己不会摄像 But they knew they didn’t knew how to shoot 242 00:13:37,651 --> 00:13:39,880 这完全取决于你 So I say this is really got on you 243 00:13:39,881 --> 00:13:41,412 你可以说：看吧，这片子是你做的 you could say: here, this the media you do it 244 00:13:41,404 --> 00:13:42,797 我才是魔术师 I was the charmer 245 00:13:43,219 --> 00:13:47,306 不过现在会摄像是另一码事了 But now, being a thing that you can shoot is not like it used to be 246 00:13:47,518 --> 00:13:52,115 有些摄像师之所以当摄像师 There’re cinematographers who became cinematographers 247 00:13:52,301 --> 00:13:55,691 是因为他们热爱摄像的魔力 because they love the voodoo of it 248 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,229 他们喜欢导演对他们说： They love it when the director said to them: 249 00:13:58,230 --> 00:13:59,715 “那个角落 “down that cornor” 250 00:13:59,716 --> 00:14:03,058 你能看见吗？好像要消失了” will you able to that? that’s kind of melt away” 251 00:14:03,059 --> 00:14:05,879 他们倒是机灵：“明天看嘛，肯定超惊喜，包你满意” they get to guile: “ just wait till tomorrow, it’s gonna be amazing, you’re gonna love it.” 252 00:14:05,999 --> 00:14:08,999 {\a6}七宗罪，1995 253 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:11,396 接下来，我经历过的，他们把样片搞定了，我就会… and then, I had this experience, they’ve set the dailys then I’ve gone 254 00:14:11,397 --> 00:14:14,934 比如《七宗罪》里有些令人兴奋的东西就是表现不出来 some of the durance can’t just work on se7en you just go "wow" 255 00:14:15,385 --> 00:14:20,000 不过倒是有个差不多的人在，所以你就会 but there is the an equal man on time so you go: 256 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:24,673 看着它说：“这他妈怎么回事？” look at it and say: “what the fuck?” 257 00:14:25,375 --> 00:14:27,325 现在有了数位摄像机 Now with digital cameras 258 00:14:27,326 --> 00:14:32,248 人人都能看见拍摄的结果 everyone could see exactly what things were going to look like 259 00:14:32,249 --> 00:14:33,791 这改变了你从前对摄像的喜爱方式 that changes the way you like it 260 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,554 甚至改变了你的表演 it may even change your performance 261 00:14:36,555 --> 00:14:39,015 因为这给拍电影带来了完全不同的感受 Because it creates a different feelings in the whole thing 262 00:14:39,255 --> 00:14:42,042 这让我们的创造性有了更多空间 It gives us more scope to be creative 263 00:14:42,043 --> 00:14:43,156 这点令人兴奋 That was exciting 264 00:14:43,691 --> 00:14:46,691 {\a6}杰夫 波尔， 摄影 （街头霸王：春丽传/变异编年史/黑暗乡村） 265 00:14:43,188 --> 00:14:46,671 对我来说这就是数位摄像机革命的全部 That for me it’s digital revolution of cameras all about 266 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:50,000 {\a6}贝尔实验室 出品 267 00:14:48,139 --> 00:14:52,597 1969年，在位于新泽西的贝尔实验室 In 1969, at bell labs in New Jersey 268 00:14:52,598 --> 00:14:54,687 乔治史密斯和威乐鲍尔 George Smith and Willard Boyle 269 00:14:54,688 --> 00:14:57,520 提出电荷藕合装置（CCD）构想 came up with the idea for the charged couple device 270 00:14:54,688 --> 00:14:57,520 {\a6}两位老爷子因此获得2009年诺贝尔物理学奖 271 00:14:57,530 --> 00:15:01,328 并发明了第一个CCD芯片 and the first CCD chip was created 272 00:15:02,142 --> 00:15:05,625 CCD的特点之一是 One of the things that makes the CCD unique 273 00:15:05,626 --> 00:15:09,665 它可以执行某些特殊功能 is its ability to performs specialized functions 274 00:15:09,666 --> 00:15:12,359 例如当摄像机用 such as acting as a camera 275 00:15:12,558 --> 00:15:16,134 你所看到的我们在电视上的图像 The image that you see on the TV screen aboout of us 276 00:15:16,135 --> 00:15:20,963 就是在我们前方的这个小CCD摄像机拍摄的 is being produced by the small CCD camera which is directly in front of us here 277 00:15:21,137 --> 00:15:25,274 70年代早期，在参观贝尔实验室后 In the early 1970s, after a visit to bell labs 278 00:15:25,275 --> 00:15:30,843 索尼公司开始应用CCD技术推广并发展新产品 SONY started investing in and developing products using the CCD technology 279 00:15:33,190 --> 00:15:35,419 盛田昭夫是索尼之父 Akio Morita was the father of SONY 280 00:15:35,625 --> 00:15:38,625 {\a6}阿列克 沙匹罗，索尼市场部高级副总裁 281 00:15:35,420 --> 00:15:37,608 他是好莱坞的拥簇 He was always an amor of Hollywood 282 00:15:37,609 --> 00:15:42,391 而设计电子摄像机是他的梦想 And it was his dream to design an electronic camera 283 00:15:42,391 --> 00:15:48,428 能创造和35mm胶片同等或更佳质量的图像 That could create images were equaling or better than the 35mm film 284 00:15:48,447 --> 00:15:50,211 广告：随时随地，想拍就拍 record what you want , when you want 285 00:15:50,212 --> 00:15:51,976 80年代中期 In the mid of 1980s 286 00:15:52,140 --> 00:15:57,109 索尼生产了第一批消费型CCD便携式摄像机 SONY was producing its first consumer quality CCD camcorders 287 00:15:57,109 --> 00:16:00,109 {\a6}哥本哈根，丹麦 288 00:15:59,584 --> 00:16:01,117 90年代 In the 1990s 289 00:16:01,118 --> 00:16:05,436 小型标清摄像机开始用于数位拍摄 small standard definition cameras began recording digitally 290 00:16:07,879 --> 00:16:09,644 它们开始用于电影拍摄 They were first to use cinematically 291 00:16:09,645 --> 00:16:14,123 始于在丹麦兴起的“道格玛95”运动 when they were embraced by the dogma 95 movement in Denmark 292 00:16:14,243 --> 00:16:15,822 您能不能谈谈 Can you speak a little bit about 293 00:16:15,823 --> 00:16:19,165 您是什么时候开始使用数位… Where did you first coming to digital… 294 00:16:19,165 --> 00:16:22,165 {\a6}拉斯 冯 提尔，导演 （抑郁症/反基督者/黑暗中的舞者） 295 00:16:19,165 --> 00:16:22,834 实际上是偶然 Actually it’s by chance 296 00:16:22,835 --> 00:16:26,596 因为我们搞了个“道格玛95” Because we made this thing called dogma 95 297 00:16:27,088 --> 00:16:29,828 而且制定了一些规则 And we made up some rules 298 00:16:29,829 --> 00:16:31,576 其中一条是 And one of them was that 299 00:16:31,577 --> 00:16:36,300 必须使用35mm拍摄 the thing has to be filmed by academy 35mm 300 00:16:36,594 --> 00:16:37,755 接着另一条又说 And on e of them said 301 00:16:37,756 --> 00:16:40,541 必须是手持摄像机 it had to be hand-held camera also 302 00:16:40,590 --> 00:16:42,494 然后我提议，既然如此 And then I said, if that is the case 303 00:16:42,495 --> 00:16:43,841 我们也能用录像 we can also use video 304 00:16:44,769 --> 00:16:50,400 那时候又正好这些摄像机问世了 And that was just at the same time that these cameras came to appear 305 00:16:50,543 --> 00:16:54,584 安东尼 多德 曼妥是第一个拍摄“道格玛95”的DP Anthony Dod Mantle was the DP who shot the first dogma film 306 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,507 由托马斯 温特伯格执导的《家宴》 Thomas Winterberg‘s celebration 307 00:16:57,907 --> 00:17:03,712 (?)用数位拍摄还能保证电影的纯粹性吗？ (?)Was it pure also of digital video？ 308 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,925 摄像机比较轻，这么点重量不足以… The lightness of the camera, the weight that you couldn’t… 309 00:17:06,926 --> 00:17:09,154 我第一次用这个是这样的： I tell you it was the first hit me 310 00:17:09,155 --> 00:17:11,430 我去哥本哈根的农贸市场 I was coming up the food market in Copenhagen 311 00:17:11,430 --> 00:17:14,430 {\a6}安东尼 多德 曼妥，摄影 （家宴/惊变28天/贫民窟的百万富翁） 312 00:17:11,618 --> 00:17:16,355 我有台索尼PC3，就是我拍《家宴》的那一台 I had a SONY PC 3 and that’s the exact camera I end shooting celebration 313 00:17:16,356 --> 00:17:20,813 我记起生机勃勃的拥挤场景 and I remember scenes crowd with lives 314 00:17:21,249 --> 00:17:25,568 假设我们穿过这样工业化背景的地方 Supported us just moving across this field with a industrial backdrop 315 00:17:25,607 --> 00:17:28,161 有雾，模糊，这种感觉很哥特 Into mist and hazing, it’s gothic 316 00:17:29,714 --> 00:17:31,432 我才开始学习怎么用它 I was just learning how to play with it 317 00:17:31,433 --> 00:17:36,076 到处拍，对这小东西有种怪怪的感觉 Swept it around and I got this weird moment of this midgetcy 318 00:17:36,544 --> 00:17:38,680 又轻又小 Of lightness and midgetcy 319 00:17:38,681 --> 00:17:40,585 而当我看到画面时又颇感震惊 and I looked at the image and said “my god” 320 00:17:40,586 --> 00:17:42,814 这可以是很好的摄像机 and that’s gonna be nice cameras 321 00:17:42,915 --> 00:17:44,308 我认为 I called that 322 00:17:44,318 --> 00:17:47,318 {\a6}家宴，1998 323 00:17:47,755 --> 00:17:50,820 用微型摄像机拍摄《家宴》有很多话可说 Too much say when I was shooting in celebration on the small cameras 324 00:17:50,887 --> 00:17:53,024 因为我想成为《家宴》的主角 Casuse I want to be a protagonist on celebration 325 00:17:56,778 --> 00:18:00,725 电影的构成实际上就是摄像机充满情绪化的移动 The combination of the movie is actually emotional movements of the camera 326 00:18:00,742 --> 00:18:04,204 这决定了电影的视角 which probably defined that film’s visual line 327 00:18:04,205 --> 00:18:05,622 应该把它与演员的表演 should depart them from the actors 328 00:18:05,623 --> 00:18:07,062 和剧本的指导分离开 and the watching great script 329 00:18:14,411 --> 00:18:17,615 用这台摄像机，这些问题迎刃而解 with that camera and I suddenly solve these smooth 330 00:18:17,595 --> 00:18:20,103 这种移动方式是从前的摄影经验里没有的 it’s possible movements I didn’t know in my cinema 331 00:18:21,878 --> 00:18:24,896 而这变成了我对《家宴》的贡献 And that became my donation for celebration 332 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:26,532 《家宴》意味着什么 What celebration meant 333 00:18:26,533 --> 00:18:30,000 其它这个领域的电影又意味着什么 and what a lot of the other films at that area meant? 334 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,000 {\a6}白痴，1998 335 00:18:30,127 --> 00:18:35,421 是不是要完全重新思考电影制作的技术层面了呢 Was that you just have to completely rethink the technical side of the film making 336 00:18:33,001 --> 00:18:37,000 {\a6}敏郎悲歌，1999 337 00:18:35,700 --> 00:18:39,786 这些电影让人完全可以为了创意而创作 they brought people to film making for creativities sake 338 00:18:37,062 --> 00:18:40,000 {\a6}驴孩朱丽安，1999 339 00:18:40,062 --> 00:18:43,062 {\a6}国王不死，2000 340 00:18:42,402 --> 00:18:46,800 这些电影证明电影制作原理只是为创意服务而已 They pointed out that the mechanism of film making only serves creative 341 00:18:46,954 --> 00:18:49,954 {\a6}查克和贝克，2000 342 00:18:52,675 --> 00:18:54,208 用DV拍摄 With DV 343 00:18:54,208 --> 00:18:57,208 {\a6}杰森 科略特，制片 （查克和贝克/咖啡与香烟/夺命手术） 344 00:18:54,347 --> 00:18:55,926 都是为了… Came this whole idea of 345 00:18:55,927 --> 00:18:57,273 等等 wait a second 346 00:18:57,274 --> 00:18:59,687 要是我们能降低预算 if we lower our budgets 347 00:19:00,137 --> 00:19:04,410 作为导演和制片人来说就能有更大的自由度 we get more freedom as directors and producers 348 00:19:04,468 --> 00:19:08,137 用DV拍电影意味着这就是一坨屎 Shooting a film on video of that point meant it was crap 349 00:19:04,468 --> 00:19:07,468 {\a6}乔弗利 吉尔莫，电影节导演 （翠贝卡电影节/圣丹斯电影节） 350 00:19:08,267 --> 00:19:13,097 这基本上是个难以接受的事实 It was almost unaccepted truth 351 00:19:13,098 --> 00:19:15,100 你并没有认真拍电影 that you didn’t shoot films 352 00:19:15,101 --> 00:19:19,320 因为那是录像格式 that you’re serious about on any kind of video format 353 00:19:19,424 --> 00:19:21,560 我们去那然后说： We just started going out there and we are saying: 354 00:19:21,561 --> 00:19:23,975 听着，我们要用数位拍摄 Look, we’re gonna make movie digitally 355 00:19:23,976 --> 00:19:25,786 我们要做导演最终剪辑 we’re gonna give director’s final cut 356 00:19:26,159 --> 00:19:27,505 全程尽在掌握 Totally create of control 357 00:19:28,292 --> 00:19:29,685 不过我们会让这一切更省钱 But we’ll make them cheaper 358 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,136 我们的第一部电影是《查克和贝克》 And our very first movie was chuck and buck 359 00:19:32,147 --> 00:19:33,447 你好啊贝克 Hey Buck 360 00:19:33,612 --> 00:19:34,587 …好呀 uh, Hi 361 00:19:36,797 --> 00:19:38,329 喝点啥吗？ can I get you something to drink? 362 00:19:38,505 --> 00:19:40,919 不用，没事 oh, no, that’s alright 363 00:19:41,147 --> 00:19:43,516 看回放会吓到自己 Looking at rushes it will scary yourself 364 00:19:43,697 --> 00:19:45,044 冰糕要吗？ would you like some icecream? 365 00:19:45,624 --> 00:19:50,030 真的吗，我爱冰糕耶 really? uh, I like icecream 366 00:19:50,031 --> 00:19:51,888 天哪，看起来真够业余 Oh god, it looks so amateur 367 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,182 很多人其实… A lot of people actually… 368 00:19:55,254 --> 00:19:57,854 都是模仿 come it on hell modeled it looked 369 00:19:57,855 --> 00:19:59,928 你特么想什么呢 what you’re thinking you fucking doing, man 370 00:20:00,126 --> 00:20:02,540 我记得我们把它在圣丹斯上放映的情形 I remember when we presenting it on Sundance 371 00:20:02,541 --> 00:20:04,537 可吓死他们了 they were scared to death 372 00:20:04,645 --> 00:20:07,339 观影指南上写的就是这是拿DV拍的 The direction would be “this was shot on video” 373 00:20:07,415 --> 00:20:11,224 这样的数位摄制作品作为 The digital presentation did not look nearly 374 00:20:11,698 --> 00:20:15,460 胶片的替代品简直难以接受 at any way gonna be acceptable substitute of what film was 375 00:20:15,461 --> 00:20:18,845 因为...毛片 Because of…porn 376 00:20:18,846 --> 00:20:20,610 还有纪录片 And because of documentary 377 00:20:20,611 --> 00:20:21,864 还有新闻报道 and because of news footage 378 00:20:21,865 --> 00:20:25,532 小型摄像机视频让你觉得： Video occupied the space in your mind like: 379 00:20:25,691 --> 00:20:28,849 我在这，在这房间里，天，一切真的在发生 I’m here I’m in that room oh my god, this is really happening 380 00:20:28,850 --> 00:20:31,000 而这让《查克和巴克》更好 And that makes chuck and buck better 381 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:34,000 {\a6}艾伦 库拉斯，摄影 （迷途人生/暖暖内含光/大毒枭） 382 00:20:31,001 --> 00:20:32,950 人们开始 People were starting to think 383 00:20:32,951 --> 00:20:35,226 用完全不同的眼光去审视 in a completely different way about 384 00:20:35,301 --> 00:20:37,809 技术和媒介 How could the technology and medium 385 00:20:37,879 --> 00:20:42,244 如何帮助我们重新思考电影制作 help us to rethink film making 386 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,715 你发现人们开始挑战传统观念 You start to see people start to challenge the idea 387 00:20:45,715 --> 00:20:48,715 {\a6}迷途人生，2002 388 00:20:46,716 --> 00:20:49,826 像InDigEnt（独立数位娱乐）这样的组织 as the group as InDigEnt (Independent Digital Entertainment ) 389 00:20:50,727 --> 00:20:54,024 他们制作标清视频 They were creating standard def video 390 00:20:54,141 --> 00:20:59,343 然后用视频拼成电影再放出 That within they converted to film for seen actual released 391 00:20:59,343 --> 00:21:02,343 {\a6}盖瑞 文尼克，InDigEnt创始人（已故） 392 00:20:59,344 --> 00:21:01,053 作为一个独立电影人 I think as a independent film maker 393 00:21:01,054 --> 00:21:03,978 我认为我们正处于最令人兴奋的时代 we are at the most exciting time ever 394 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:08,040 因为现在我们能出去用DV拍摄电影 Because now we can go out and make a film on DV 395 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,440 {\a6}蝌蚪，2002 396 00:21:08,584 --> 00:21:10,534 奥斯卡交了新女友 Oscar has a new girlfriend 397 00:21:11,354 --> 00:21:12,468 真的吗 really? 398 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:16,715 我们昨天好像讨论了很长时间这个话题了 it seems last day we get quite late for that conversation 399 00:21:17,181 --> 00:21:21,361 有种想法是你要是用数位拍那就一定便宜 The idea was that if you shoot digitally it was cheap 400 00:21:21,512 --> 00:21:25,738 所以彻底的帮助提升了电影制作的数量 And absolutely helped fill the number of movies that gotten make 401 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,136 我记得我在圣丹斯的头一年 I remember my first year on Sundance 402 00:21:28,301 --> 00:21:32,806 在虚构作品类中我们遣返了35部提交作品 we return 35 submissions total of the fiction category 403 00:21:33,103 --> 00:21:35,379 几年以后就翻了10倍 few years later it was 10 times of that 404 00:21:35,380 --> 00:21:38,145 在圣诞斯电影节上 back to that Sundance days 405 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:45,354 有InDigEnt的作品，人们都觉得还好，毕竟是独立作品 the releases of InDigEnt, people were saying that’s ok for you as independent 406 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:43,040 {\a6}卡罗林 卡普兰，制片 （蝌蚪/迷途人生/四月碎片） 407 00:21:45,402 --> 00:21:47,910 不过这不是电影 But this isn’t cinema this isn’t… 408 00:21:48,443 --> 00:21:53,644 这种说法很流行，用DV做电影再去圣丹斯 That was a huge saying to make film on a video camera and go to Sundance 409 00:21:53,645 --> 00:21:57,624 我们因《迷途人生》赢得了最佳导演和最佳影片 And win best director, and win beat film for personal velocity 410 00:21:57,900 --> 00:22:00,036 盖瑞自己的《蝌蚪》 Gary’s own film tadpole 411 00:22:00,037 --> 00:22:02,637 就比较倾向于大众 And being sort of for normal man’s money 412 00:22:02,638 --> 00:22:05,330 每个人都在努力：娱乐大众好赚钱 Everyone worked on it: make money from that sale 413 00:22:05,603 --> 00:22:11,548 这就是大家都觉得用数位摄像没问题的时候 And that’s when a lot of the idea you can shoot film digitally 414 00:22:11,860 --> 00:22:14,229 就像是对商品美学的品头论足 And it’s almost like a production aesthetic 415 00:22:14,535 --> 00:22:16,393 争论开始了 And that’s when all those debates started 416 00:22:16,425 --> 00:22:18,685 您一定知道 You must have heard that late 90s 417 00:22:18,686 --> 00:22:22,911 90年代末电影的金标准和您使用的工具是什么呢 film’s gold standard and the tool you playing with are what? 418 00:22:22,912 --> 00:22:24,885 贬低或推崇 debasing, fattening 419 00:22:25,574 --> 00:22:27,711 我曾经受过打击… I have been slapped around if you wanna… 420 00:22:27,712 --> 00:22:28,779 “打击”是怎么回事 What do you mean “slapped around”？ 421 00:22:28,780 --> 00:22:33,559 (?)我被说成是个爆发基佬 (?)I mean I’ve been exploded and homosexualcated for the sentence 422 00:22:33,873 --> 00:22:37,217 对我来说转投数位摄影是显然的 It was a quite obvious to me to go to digital 423 00:22:37,218 --> 00:22:41,907 因为你可以熟练使用摄像机 because of mature you can have the camera 424 00:22:41,908 --> 00:22:44,843 这种成熟程度显而易见 The amount of the mature you can have your camera was obvious 425 00:22:45,783 --> 00:22:50,287 既然我决定用另一种工作方式创作 since I was trying to create another way of working with other tools 426 00:22:50,734 --> 00:22:52,313 这点是比较重要的 And that was essential 427 00:22:52,406 --> 00:22:55,406 {\a6}大卫 林奇，导演 （蓝丝绒/象人/穆赫兰道） 428 00:22:52,406 --> 00:22:54,914 为了拍长镜头 I imagine there was collaboration for you than 429 00:22:54,915 --> 00:22:58,731 我猜您需要和演员密切合作是吗 terms of the relationship with your actors for longer takes？ 430 00:22:58,870 --> 00:23:01,006 是啊，基努 Yes you know, Keanu 431 00:23:01,290 --> 00:23:04,587 10分钟到头了，其实根本没10分钟 10-minute is maximum, it wasn’t really 10 432 00:23:04,588 --> 00:23:05,980 9分钟吧也就 9 or something 433 00:23:06,257 --> 00:23:08,700 当那玩意儿开始转的时候 When that thing starts rolling 434 00:23:09,425 --> 00:23:11,747 有种感觉 There’s kina underline feeling 435 00:23:11,748 --> 00:23:14,700 宝贝开始转了 that precious stuff rolling through there 436 00:23:14,872 --> 00:23:18,309 这让所有东西都紧张 And it puts kind of a tension on things 437 00:23:18,310 --> 00:23:20,677 我想拍多长拍多长 Like a shoot as much as I wanted 438 00:23:20,678 --> 00:23:22,303 我可以有最好的表演 I can get the best performances 439 00:23:22,304 --> 00:23:25,600 我不用担心拍片是烧胶片 I didn’t have to worry about shooting is a little burst of film 440 00:23:25,601 --> 00:23:27,423 这太荒谬了，不过我曾经就是这么担心的 That was ridiculous but that was what I had to do 441 00:23:27,424 --> 00:23:30,581 相对来说曾经就是那么贵 that’s how expensive it was comparatively 442 00:23:31,420 --> 00:23:36,017 数位摄影的话，一个小东西能拍40分钟 Digital, a little gizmo, 40 minutes 443 00:23:36,018 --> 00:23:39,732 你能边拍 And you can be running this camera 444 00:23:39,733 --> 00:23:42,008 边和演员讲话 and talking to the actor 445 00:23:42,009 --> 00:23:43,865 再来也没问题 Starting over again 446 00:23:50,786 --> 00:23:52,690 他们能够融入进去 And they get down in there 447 00:23:52,691 --> 00:23:55,940 能抓拍以前的巨型设备 And catch a thing never would get caught 448 00:23:55,941 --> 00:23:58,820 几乎从来没拍到过的东西 if you have the giant thing there 449 00:23:58,820 --> 00:24:01,820 {\a6}达内尔 马丁，导演 （冷门独立，不翻了…） 450 00:23:58,821 --> 00:24:00,558 我喜欢用摄像机工作 I love to on the camera 451 00:24:00,559 --> 00:24:04,587 尤其是到感情洋溢的地方，魔法就发生了 Especially when we were at the emotional place that magic is happening 452 00:24:04,588 --> 00:24:08,453 你喊停的时候，突然间所有人都去那了 When you go cut, That all of a sudden everybody’s in there 453 00:24:08,454 --> 00:24:13,118 而你就在那 And you were at a place where it is just there 454 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:14,604 接着万物静止 And then everything stops 455 00:24:14,605 --> 00:24:16,045 接着是“好了，我们继续” then “that’s ok, now go back to that” 456 00:24:16,046 --> 00:24:18,460 而我说：“等等，要搞下摄像机，一分钟就好” And I said “no, just went to the camera, back to one” 457 00:24:21,817 --> 00:24:25,857 你要能够快归位 As fast as you can get back to your position 458 00:24:22,867 --> 00:24:25,867 {\a6}约翰 马尔科维奇，演员 （危险关系/太阳帝国/赤焰战场） 459 00:24:26,145 --> 00:24:27,678 你还能再次离开 You can go again 460 00:24:28,406 --> 00:24:31,610 我就是觉得等待的时间好多啊 I just thought there was way too much waiting 461 00:24:31,611 --> 00:24:35,755 电影于我总有个动力问题 Because movies for me there is always momentum problem 462 00:24:35,755 --> 00:24:40,904 因为我成长于剧院，那也是我接受表演训练的地方 Cause I grow up in the theater and that’s how I was trained 463 00:24:40,905 --> 00:24:43,133 不过在拍电影的大多数时间我… and a lot of time in movies I… 464 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,174 总有种感觉：“我们能走了么？” feel like “can we go？” 465 00:24:46,619 --> 00:24:50,520 对我来说连拍45分钟简直太难了 it‘s very tough for me to be able to shoot 45 minutes 466 00:24:50,521 --> 00:24:51,887 不是摄像机换胶卷的问题 Not reload of the cameras 467 00:24:51,888 --> 00:24:55,000 因为整个团队都不能再集中精神 Because it’s true this entire group can’t get on concentrate 468 00:24:55,001 --> 00:24:59,272 演员就能集中那么久，所以你需要2-3分钟的休息 The actors can only concentrate for so long and you need 2-min-break, 3-min-break 469 00:24:59,273 --> 00:25:00,757 正好换胶卷 during which time you reload 470 00:25:00,762 --> 00:25:02,759 当你用胶片摄像机拍摄的时候 When you’re running a film camera on sight 471 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,917 每个人都比较严肃 everyone seems to take things a little bit more seriously 472 00:25:06,271 --> 00:25:07,989 当他们听见胶卷转的时候 When they hear the film running 473 00:25:07,990 --> 00:25:10,713 其实基本上听见的都是钱的声音 they hear the money running on the camera basically 474 00:25:10,714 --> 00:25:12,524 每个人都全神贯注 Everybody brings an aim 475 00:25:16,878 --> 00:25:22,915 我头次听说摄像机里有胶卷在转的时候 The first time I’d ever heard the word a film going through a camera 476 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,800 {\a6}格蕾塔 葛韦格，演员 （格林伯格/亚瑟/爱情无线牵） 477 00:25:24,106 --> 00:25:27,960 又兴奋又紧张 It was thrilling also make me very nervous because 478 00:25:28,277 --> 00:25:35,475 因为突然间每一帧都要算钱，而我以前从未经历过 All of a sudden each take counted in a way that I never really experienced before 479 00:25:35,476 --> 00:25:37,472 在你喊“开始”的瞬间感觉如何 what about that moment after you say “action” 480 00:25:37,473 --> 00:25:39,701 比如对我来说，摄像机开始工作 Like for me, when that cameras rolling 481 00:25:39,702 --> 00:25:41,466 我猜肯定是和钱有联系，不过 I guess maybe it’s connected to the money but... 482 00:25:41,467 --> 00:25:43,881 10分钟也太有限了 the 10-minute reel is so finite 483 00:25:43,882 --> 00:25:47,178 这简直就像竞技体育，你得集中再集中.. It’s almost athletic thing like focus, focus… 484 00:25:43,882 --> 00:25:46,882 {\a6}理查德 林克莱特，导演 （黑暗扫描仪/都市浪人/年少轻狂） 485 00:25:48,538 --> 00:25:52,485 然后，“嗯这个不错”这样 Like that’s good for them 486 00:25:52,486 --> 00:25:54,381 其实就是个气氛 that’s just atmosphere though 487 00:25:55,295 --> 00:25:57,476 我的意思是，你要是那么想肯定感觉的到 I mean if you want that you can create that, right 488 00:25:57,476 --> 00:26:00,476 {\a6}丹尼 鲍尔，导演 （海滩/惊变28天/贫民窟的百万富翁） 489 00:25:57,477 --> 00:25:59,380 我觉得演员的情况会不一样 I thought it could make a difference through actors 490 00:25:59,381 --> 00:26:00,970 不用给一堆第二次拍摄机会 Don’t give a dozen particularly twice 491 00:26:00,971 --> 00:26:06,447 我可以不断的调整到他们觉得合适 I Just infinitely give adjust whatever way they have to tell it they’ll tell it 492 00:26:06,448 --> 00:26:09,698 你不会暂停也不说：“嘿，能停了么” You didn’t ask for a break you didn’t say:”hey, can we stop” 493 00:26:09,699 --> 00:26:11,973 你现在用的是数位摄像吗？--没错 You are on digital now -- yeah 494 00:26:11,974 --> 00:26:16,292 我第一次经历到没有暂停的拍摄是 Though my first experience is, without which is, there is no cut 495 00:26:16,849 --> 00:26:20,054 和理查德 林克莱特合作的《黑暗扫描仪》 I worked with Richard Linklater on the film called Scanner Darkly 496 00:26:20,055 --> 00:26:22,183 就像--你继续吧 It just lik -- you can just go on 497 00:26:22,184 --> 00:26:24,737 对，我哀求道“我们停下来吧” Yeah, I just like “can we please stop” 498 00:26:25,615 --> 00:26:26,637 停下吧~ Stop~ 499 00:26:27,828 --> 00:26:29,175 不，没那必要 No, we don’t have to 500 00:26:29,176 --> 00:26:30,847 但是我想停下来啊！ But I want to！ 501 00:26:32,318 --> 00:26:35,708 罗伯特唐尼找到我说： Robert Downey actually came up to me, and he said: 502 00:26:35,709 --> 00:26:37,333 “这样工作我不行的 “I can’t work like this, 503 00:26:37,334 --> 00:26:40,360 “我找不到我的拖车，我从来也没整理过自己的东西 “I never get to my trailer, I never get my shit together 504 00:26:40,361 --> 00:26:43,685 “我一天站14个小时，我一直在拍啊拍啊。” “I’m on my feet 14 hours a day, I’m shooting all the time.” 505 00:26:43,686 --> 00:26:48,998 他把盛尿的石头罐子放片场了 He actually left mason jars of urine on the set 506 00:26:49,186 --> 00:26:50,765 就放角落里 Just like over in the corner stuff 507 00:26:50,766 --> 00:26:52,832 他会出去尿完了再放回来 just he will go off and pee in it and bring it back 508 00:26:52,833 --> 00:26:54,968 拿这个跟我抗议 this is like a form of protest 509 00:26:55,819 --> 00:27:00,570 以前，用赛璐珞拍片真的好兴奋啊 Previously, what’s on celluloid only really has been thrilled 510 00:27:00,563 --> 00:27:04,082 那种获得赛璐珞圣杯的感觉，很神奇 to arrive a holy grail of celluloid, it’s amazing 511 00:27:04,083 --> 00:27:05,800 所以我们的头几部电影是用赛璐珞拍的 so we made the first few films on celluloid 512 00:27:05,801 --> 00:27:07,936 而且我做了道不错的好莱坞大餐 and I made a very big of Hollywood film 513 00:27:08,110 --> 00:27:09,224 《海滩》 the beach 514 00:27:09,224 --> 00:27:12,224 {\a6}海滩，2000 515 00:27:09,225 --> 00:27:12,243 和李奥纳多迪卡普里奥，还有很大的一个工作团队 with Leonardo Di Caprio, and a big crew 516 00:27:12,244 --> 00:27:13,776 不过这一点也不适合我 and it didn’t suit me at all 517 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,761 感觉担子实在太重 I felt it was too much weight for me really somehow 518 00:27:17,762 --> 00:27:21,393 接下来我看到了《家宴》 And so I then saw celebration 519 00:27:21,393 --> 00:27:24,143 {\a6}家宴，1998 520 00:27:24,239 --> 00:27:27,118 不像电影，也不像眼见 wasn’t so much the film, wasn’t even a look 521 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,486 单纯的摄像机操作 It was the camera operating 522 00:27:29,487 --> 00:27:31,205 和摄像移动 Movement of the camera 523 00:27:33,239 --> 00:27:36,954 所以我找到拍摄它的人：安东尼 多德 曼妥 So I got with the guy who shot it, Anthony Dod Mantle 524 00:27:36,955 --> 00:27:40,948 我觉得像是离经叛道 And I said I feel like not doing the right thing any more 525 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,338 “我们一起做点什么吧，用数位摄像” “Can we do something together, Digitally” 526 00:27:44,339 --> 00:27:47,914 我都不知道自己在说啥，不过觉得像个新世界 which I didn’t know what I ‘m saying by saying that It was kind like a new world anyway 527 00:27:47,915 --> 00:27:50,608 接着我们就着手制作《惊变28天》 Then we came with the script 28 days later 528 00:27:50,899 --> 00:27:53,899 {\a6}惊变28天，2002 529 00:27:51,459 --> 00:27:53,595 这是我们用消费型摄像机拍的 And we shot it on consumer cameras 530 00:27:54,691 --> 00:27:56,548 但是我记得安东尼对我说过 But I remember Anthony saying to me 531 00:27:56,549 --> 00:28:02,028 这个格式没问题的，不过我们这辈子也没法得奥斯卡了 It’s all vey well working in this format and he said we’ll never get an Oscar 532 00:28:03,327 --> 00:28:07,320 开始的时候有个场景，斯里安墨菲要演的 There was a scene in the beginning what the character Cillian Murphy wanted it run 533 00:28:07,321 --> 00:28:08,806 荒废的伦敦 A deserted London 534 00:28:11,041 --> 00:28:13,874 要是用胶片，这片子怕是无法完成 We will not be able to achieve the film on film 535 00:28:13,875 --> 00:28:16,893 因为我们没那么多钱去阻断交通 Because we have to stop the traffic and we did not get enough money to do it 536 00:28:16,894 --> 00:28:19,911 所以我们只是短暂的挡了一会儿交通 So what we do is just hold the traffic briefly 537 00:28:19,912 --> 00:28:23,394 但是因为我们是用这些摄像机拍的，能用10个一起拍 But because we run these cameras, we could use ten of them 538 00:28:23,395 --> 00:28:24,462 因为太便宜了 cause it’s so cheap 539 00:28:25,584 --> 00:28:28,927 而且他可以走过伦敦中心和其他区域 and he can walk through central London and areas of it 540 00:28:28,928 --> 00:28:32,457 我们有10台摄像机，只要交通停止几分钟就行 We have 10 cameras of that, so you only have to stop the traffic for a few minutes 541 00:28:32,458 --> 00:28:34,779 接着就有10个拍摄画面了 Then you would actually have 10 shots 542 00:28:34,779 --> 00:28:36,961 这可是一大进步 That was enormous advantage 543 00:28:37,302 --> 00:28:39,253 我们拿摄像机到处转 We plays cameras around 544 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:41,817 不是随机的、坏的、漫无目的的 Not coinciding not badly not loosely 545 00:28:41,818 --> 00:28:44,371 我试图控制每个角度而且我知道哪些更好 I tried to control every angle and I know what few ways is best 546 00:28:44,705 --> 00:28:45,959 用哪个更好 What’s gonna be used 547 00:28:46,218 --> 00:28:50,212 不过之前可以任意看，来获得新的设想 But that said you can let anyone there, and have a little new guesses there 548 00:28:50,596 --> 00:28:53,429 你是在拍有很小人像的广角镜头 You are in a wide shot with small figures in it 549 00:28:53,669 --> 00:28:56,030 也就2-3个像素 They were just like 2-3 pixels 550 00:28:56,031 --> 00:28:57,748 我是说那几乎啥也没有，就是颜色而已 I mean there’s nothing there, they were just color 551 00:28:58,127 --> 00:29:01,843 颜色是比较明智的做法，要是同质拷贝到胶片上 color is wise if you put it up against exact copy of they were on film 552 00:29:01,844 --> 00:29:03,607 那这张胶片会巨大无比 The film will be imagerily superior 553 00:29:03,823 --> 00:29:08,188 不过你却可以偷着拍，代替性的拍，不让人知道 But you can shoot illegally, substitutedly without people knowing 554 00:29:08,189 --> 00:29:10,046 你可以不照套路出牌 You could do unconventional things 555 00:29:10,047 --> 00:29:13,714 这时影片的节奏 And the rhythm of film which is passed on since it began 556 00:29:13,848 --> 00:29:15,195 (?)镜头的连续 (?)Cruise of lens 557 00:29:15,196 --> 00:29:17,471 就都被打断了,我喜欢这种自由感 You interrupted that, I love that freedom 558 00:29:17,472 --> 00:29:21,511 所以尝到甜头后，我知道这样的设计要怎么做了 And I got taste for it then, I knew which way to chalk that sequence 559 00:29:22,143 --> 00:29:25,069 所以我正在做这件事，而结果也和我想要的一样 so I was gonna work on it now, that wasI want it to work 560 00:29:27,381 --> 00:29:34,626 这让剪辑的工作变得特别（繁杂），因为常常有大量的材料涌入 It makes the editor’s job extraordinary cause it’s often plumbing through Masses and masses and masses material 561 00:29:35,407 --> 00:29:37,265 70-80年代 In the 1970s and 80s 562 00:29:37,256 --> 00:29:42,188 电气公司开始着手可以取代胶片剪辑的解决方案 electronics companies began working on solutions to replace film editing 563 00:29:42,835 --> 00:29:48,494 100多年来，剪辑人员都是手动剪切粘贴胶片的 For over 100 years, editing man physically cutting and connecting pieces of film 564 00:29:48,622 --> 00:29:50,852 我们以前常去剪辑室 we used to go to the editing room 565 00:29:50,836 --> 00:29:52,787 他们把胶卷抽到剪切盒里 they were rolling them into the trim basket 566 00:29:53,081 --> 00:29:56,939 把现在的胶片放到滚动轴上 they took the film now, and put that through the moving roll 567 00:29:57,093 --> 00:30:00,093 {\a6}汤姆 罗斯曼，福克斯影业首席CEO 568 00:29:57,093 --> 00:29:58,579 然后像这样啪啪的把他们粘到一起 and you slap it together like this 569 00:29:58,580 --> 00:30:01,691 那些戴白手套的干这个难以置信的快 you remember the white gloves and they’re incredibly fast at it 570 00:30:01,692 --> 00:30:08,378 我摸到（胶片）边缘，有时候很锋利，会把手指割出血 I find a frame and Sometimes blazing and get your fingertips bloodied 571 00:30:08,379 --> 00:30:10,241 这可是真的“电影上的血”啊 that’s just really the blood in the film 572 00:30:10,242 --> 00:30:14,049 我是说真的血，不过现在这一切都变成神奇小按钮了 So I mean really had it and now it’s fascinating buttons 573 00:30:14,094 --> 00:30:16,230 这是一张大家都熟悉的软盘... now this is the floppy disk we all familiar… 574 00:30:16,259 --> 00:30:19,696 早期的剪辑系统使用可塑磁碟 early editing systems use moldable magnetic disks 575 00:30:19,697 --> 00:30:21,739 磁带机和镭射光碟 tape machines and laser disks 576 00:30:21,740 --> 00:30:24,433 来存储并读取数字化的胶片 to store and read digitaled of film 577 00:30:24,449 --> 00:30:27,653 这些系统大多特别贵 most of the systems are enormously very costly 578 00:30:27,856 --> 00:30:30,856 {\a6}费尔 曼休斯，摄影 （皇家赌场/佐罗传奇/偷天陷阱） 579 00:30:27,856 --> 00:30:32,221 我想后来改变一切的第一件事应该是我知道了剪辑机器 the first thing I have read that changed everything I think it was the digital editing machine 580 00:30:32,712 --> 00:30:35,545 可以花一天把胶片变成影带 which spend a daily set and converted film into tape 581 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,954 所以一切从这开始 so that’s started the whole thing going 582 00:30:40,110 --> 00:30:43,639 我们研发了一台全数字化的图像剪辑系统 we start a picture editing system that was all digital 583 00:30:43,771 --> 00:30:46,771 {\a6} “editdroid”剪辑系统 584 00:30:43,771 --> 00:30:47,672 我们的第一台editdroid在1980年开始工作 we had the first “editdroid” working in 1980 585 00:30:48,338 --> 00:30:51,542 我们最后把它卖给了AVID and we eventually sold the system to AVID 586 00:30:51,825 --> 00:30:53,264 80年代末 by the late 1980s 587 00:30:53,265 --> 00:30:59,534 AVID把数位剪辑发展成了密集型、有偿高效、全电脑控制的系统 AVID had developed digital editing into a compacted cost-effective computer-based system 588 00:30:59,781 --> 00:31:02,411 我第一次看到AVID的时候 when I first saw the AVID 589 00:30:59,781 --> 00:31:02,781 {\a6}格雷格 伍德，剪辑 （加勒比海盗/浪人47/午夜凶铃） 590 00:31:02,782 --> 00:31:07,800 我看见又小又灰暗的图像在里面 I have a dimmer image quality was block in, tiny 591 00:31:07,811 --> 00:31:13,013 然后我说，这个要是在五年时间内能把图像质量提高就好了 and I said: this is gonna be really good if they give the image quality right about in 5 years time 592 00:31:13,013 --> 00:31:16,013 {\a6}沃特 默奇，剪辑 （现代启示录/英国病人/冷山） 593 00:31:13,013 --> 00:31:14,532 为什么不试试AVID why not try it on the AVID 594 00:31:14,533 --> 00:31:17,706 我也是最早那批采用者之一 I’m also one of the earlier adopter people 595 00:31:17,707 --> 00:31:19,876 我喜欢探索未知世界 I like to leap into the unknown 596 00:31:22,342 --> 00:31:24,896 我记得做《英国病人》的时候 I remember on the English patient 597 00:31:24,897 --> 00:31:31,955 我看着它的画面说：“天啊，我要怎么做啊” I look at in the images and “no, how I’m gonna to be able to do this?” 598 00:31:32,220 --> 00:31:35,220 {\a6}德里克 安布罗西，剪辑 （致命急件） 599 00:31:32,220 --> 00:31:35,564 我和老一辈的剪辑一起工作时 when I work with elder editors 600 00:31:35,565 --> 00:31:39,419 他们总是提起电脑刚刚被被用到这项工作上的时候 they’ll often to talk about the time when computers were starting to come in 601 00:31:39,932 --> 00:31:44,297 他们对此比较抵触，因为他们不熟悉电脑 and they were very resistant to it because they weren’t familiar with computers 602 00:31:44,409 --> 00:31:48,124 他们害怕因为对电脑了解不够 they were just scared that they didn’t know enough about it 603 00:31:48,125 --> 00:31:54,440 可能导致不小心按错键或是意外关机开机，然后啥都没了 if you push that button or if you accidentally turn it off wrong or turn it on wrong that everything will be gone 604 00:31:54,441 --> 00:31:58,527 但你要是拿手去做这些情况不可能发生 while that could never happen if you actually physically have the film in your hand 605 00:31:58,528 --> 00:32:00,941 他们觉得自己根本就没在剪辑，剪辑其实是… they thought that was not editing, editing is… 606 00:32:02,072 --> 00:32:04,951 不管胶片怎么剪辑 so when you’re editing the movie on film 607 00:32:04,952 --> 00:32:07,598 都是技术而已，而艺术 that’s just technology, the art form 608 00:32:07,599 --> 00:32:10,570 是操纵画面来讲故事 is the manipulation of images to tell a story 609 00:32:10,570 --> 00:32:13,570 {\a6}安 科兹，剪辑 （阿拉伯的劳伦斯/永不妥协/黄金罗盘） 610 00:32:10,571 --> 00:32:13,032 操作起来挺难的 it was extremely difficult major that 611 00:32:13,365 --> 00:32:16,709 因为我以前没用过电脑 because I haven’t used a computer 612 00:32:16,961 --> 00:32:21,366 我见过老鼠（鼠标）到处跑，不过可不是在剪辑室 I’ve seen a mouse somewhere across the floor but not in the editing room 613 00:32:21,652 --> 00:32:26,269 不过我学了，还用了很长一段时间 but I learnt and I keep the machine quite a bit 614 00:32:26,270 --> 00:32:29,693 不过不用电脑我也无所谓，我也喜欢这样 but once I don’t doing on it that’s ok and I like it 615 00:32:29,712 --> 00:32:31,644 剪辑处没有胶片 there’s no film in the editing bay 616 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,780 一切都 it’s all… 617 00:32:35,433 --> 00:32:38,594 {\a6}克里斯 莱本森 （爱丽丝梦游仙境/世界末日/壮志凌云） 618 00:32:35,433 --> 00:32:36,594 一切都好安静 it’s quite 619 00:32:36,595 --> 00:32:38,767 我听不见以前常听见的“rururu”的声音 I don’t hear I used to hear the “rururu…” 620 00:32:38,768 --> 00:32:41,228 就是工作台上的卷轴发出的 the reel on the benches 621 00:32:41,229 --> 00:32:44,897 一直都是非常吵杂的工作环境 it was very noisy kind of buzzing atmosphere 622 00:32:45,130 --> 00:32:52,560 不过现在特别安静，好像所有的声音都能像蜡烛一样被烧掉 and now it’s very quite, almost like that you can burn any sound like candles 623 00:32:55,116 --> 00:32:58,367 数位技术把事情变得高效 digital bring you the speed and almost 624 00:32:58,552 --> 00:33:03,570 不过同时也在挑战你：“我能想那么快吗？” challenge you the sense of “can I think that fast” 625 00:33:03,812 --> 00:33:05,623 “我有时间喘气吗” “do I need time to breathe?” 626 00:33:06,242 --> 00:33:10,979 有时年轻的剪辑总是充满兴趣，还做着非常有趣的工作 sometime are young editors are over-interesting and doing extremely interesting work 627 00:33:10,980 --> 00:33:16,923 但他们不总是有时间安静坐下来并思考自己到底在做什么 but they don’t always have the time to sit back and think about what they are doing 628 00:33:17,592 --> 00:33:19,961 不过我想他们要是用胶片来工作 and I think if they work on film 629 00:33:19,962 --> 00:33:24,001 就必须要训练他们的思想来实现这点 they probably have to train their mind to do that 630 00:33:24,511 --> 00:33:26,973 真的是另一种思考方式 so it’s a different way of thinking, really 631 00:33:27,084 --> 00:33:29,731 胶片用条条框框折磨你 film torture you with discipline 632 00:33:29,732 --> 00:33:32,732 {\a6}持摄影机的人，1929 633 00:33:29,909 --> 00:33:33,439 用电脑的话就没那么痛苦了 that it’s gone a little bit from the computer 634 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,013 因为一旦你动了剪子 because you once put the scissors in 635 00:33:36,364 --> 00:33:39,052 就得拿胶布再粘起来 you’ve been got to join it back with sticky tape 636 00:33:39,136 --> 00:33:41,400 再连到机器上 and bond it through the machine 637 00:33:41,401 --> 00:33:43,230 这个过程你是关键 you’re much more decisive about that 638 00:33:44,331 --> 00:33:45,956 剪辑过程变更好了吗？ has editing got any better? 639 00:33:46,151 --> 00:33:48,705 就因为选择变多了？我觉得不一定 because it’s infinite the choice? I’m not so sure 640 00:33:47,705 --> 00:33:50,705 {\a6}洛伦佐 狄波纳文图拉，制片 （变形金刚/特工绍特/窗台上的男人） 641 00:33:49,130 --> 00:33:51,916 不过有件事情比较肯定，现在的很多电影更烂了 but I’m pretty sure that a lot of movies are getting worse 642 00:33:52,542 --> 00:33:56,768 因为你将它推向死亡 because you manipulate it to death 643 00:33:57,502 --> 00:33:58,456 我们会失去很多东西 we may lost something 644 00:33:58,771 --> 00:34:03,554 《阿拉伯的劳伦斯》中，当他划亮火柴 the cutting that Lawrence of Arabia when he blows the match up 645 00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:07,466 看得出来您有着有趣的幽默感 this is recognized that you have a funny sense of fun 646 00:34:07,668 --> 00:34:09,758 这只是写在剧本里 that was the solving script 647 00:34:09,845 --> 00:34:12,956 不过要是有我们今天的数字技术 and if you’ve been on digital as we have on that today 648 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,832 看准就行了 you just have to see it 649 00:34:16,117 --> 00:34:19,229 不过那时候，电影都是一段一段粘起来的 in those days, the film were bonded together like that 650 00:34:19,230 --> 00:34:20,668 就靠剪辑 just with the direct cut 651 00:34:21,140 --> 00:34:24,809 所以当我们看到这个，我们都惊呼不可思议 so when we saw it, we got “wow, that’s fantastic” 652 00:34:25,250 --> 00:34:28,872 想想吧，当时那种感情 just work it, just imagine it, when you feel that feeling 653 00:34:30,727 --> 00:34:37,136 作为影像和声音的承载体，数位拥有不可思议的可塑性 digital is unbelievably malleable plastic of imatery and sound 654 00:34:37,137 --> 00:34:39,969 这很有吸引力，因为我们要的就是可塑性 and that’s seductive, because that’s all we do 655 00:34:39,970 --> 00:34:44,245 我们是图像和声音的雕塑者 we are sculptors of images and sound 656 00:34:44,246 --> 00:34:46,149 不是说胶片就做不了 it’s not that you can’t do it in film 657 00:34:46,304 --> 00:34:51,923 就是操作麻烦，而且想做好很难 it’s just harder to do that and make it look good 658 00:34:53,872 --> 00:34:56,798 在数字技术不断发展的同时 as digital technology continued to grow 659 00:34:56,799 --> 00:35:00,188 计算机生成图像，及通常说的CGI computer generated images or CGI 660 00:35:00,387 --> 00:35:03,035 越来越多的出现在电影中 were appearing more and more in movies 661 00:35:03,050 --> 00:35:06,050 {\a6}大都会，1927 662 00:35:05,668 --> 00:35:08,362 视觉特效，或VFX visul FX or VFX (Visual Special Effects) 663 00:35:08,365 --> 00:35:11,891 自电影成长初期起就成为了电影制作的一部分 have been part of film making since the earliest years 664 00:35:11,891 --> 00:35:14,891 35:11 {\a6}伊阿宋与金羊毛，1963 665 00:35:12,806 --> 00:35:17,683 摄像技巧，灯光技术，精细模型和实验室操作 camera tricks, lighting techniques, elaborate models and lab processes 666 00:35:14,892 --> 00:35:17,892 {\a6}第三类接触，1977 667 00:35:17,859 --> 00:35:22,689 都被用作改变真实并提高电影体验 have all been used to alter realty and enhance the movie going experience 668 00:35:20,020 --> 00:35:23,020 {\a6}夺宝奇兵：法柜奇兵，1981 669 00:35:23,020 --> 00:35:26,020 {\a6}星际迷航2，1982 670 00:35:23,306 --> 00:35:26,975 好多电影都不是想拍就拍的 on many films that the number is unpredicted you can’t go out and shoot 671 00:35:26,976 --> 00:35:31,549 所以那些你想要的画面就只能想办法制作 so the images you need to see you need to be manufactory in somewhere 672 00:35:28,383 --> 00:35:31,383 {\a6}约翰 科诺，工业光魔视觉特效总监 （阿凡达/加勒比海盗/星球大战1-3） 673 00:35:31,549 --> 00:35:34,549 {\a6}帝国反击战，1980 674 00:35:32,655 --> 00:35:35,953 作为视觉特效总监你得明白 things of visual FX supervisor called on you to understand 675 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,000 {\a6}蒂姆 韦伯，FrameStone 视觉特效总监 （阿凡达/黑暗骑士/人类之子） 676 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:40,458 你得了解到这个世界的时时刻刻方方面面 a huge variety of different aspect of the world around us at any one time 677 00:35:40,482 --> 00:35:45,823 你还得明白光反射不同表面的物理知识 you also understand the physics of the way that light reacts of different surfaces 678 00:35:40,482 --> 00:35:43,482 {\a6}独立日，1996 679 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:50,783 你得明白动画绘制，人怎么动，其他的东西怎么做 you got to understand animation, you got understand the way people move creatures move 680 00:35:51,491 --> 00:35:54,800 你得同时成为艺术家和技师 you have to be an artist and a technician at the same time 681 00:35:54,834 --> 00:35:57,481 这是个奇妙的组合 that’s an interesting combination 682 00:35:57,783 --> 00:36:00,783 {\a6}丹尼斯 莫伦，工业光魔视觉特效总监 （星球大战/E.T./侏罗纪公园） 683 00:35:57,718 --> 00:36:01,386 最初的视觉特效师和头一百年特效师干的没什么两样 originally visual FX was done was the first hundred years of the FX was done 684 00:36:01,632 --> 00:36:09,480 用模型和胶片摄影，能做的实际很有限 they were done with models and with film cameras and they are very limit what you can do 685 00:36:09,620 --> 00:36:16,168 我们花费了很多时间、经历和人们的努力来做《星球大战》 but a lot of time and energy and people worked a lot to being able to make star wars film 686 00:36:21,741 --> 00:36:24,620 22年前我入行的时候 when I first doing this about 22 years ago 687 00:36:24,841 --> 00:36:28,603 我学习的环境是真实的，有个舞台 the environment I learned it was a physical one, it was a stage 688 00:36:24,877 --> 00:36:27,877 {\a6}亚当 瓦尔德斯，MPC视觉特效总监 （指环王/纳尼亚传奇/星河战队） 689 00:36:28,672 --> 00:36:31,690 微缩模型、灯光和其他的一些东西都在那 miniatures, camera lights and everything in it 690 00:36:32,898 --> 00:36:35,777 做真实模型有个好处 the great thing about making real stuff is 691 00:36:35,778 --> 00:36:39,817 你要用上全部感情和身体感知 you got to use all of your senses and your physical perceptions and 692 00:36:39,818 --> 00:36:42,842 接着3个人和其他挑剔的模型师站过去 stand there are 3 different people and critical modelers 693 00:36:42,843 --> 00:36:46,604 讨论着某件东西在真实光源中是有多酷，那感觉真满足 talks about how cool something looks like in real lighting is pretty satisfying 694 00:36:48,270 --> 00:36:52,217 拍出来的东西送去用光学印片机 and all those photography was on the optical printer in the end 695 00:36:53,453 --> 00:36:57,725 就是一部大机器，把多层胶片压在一起 that’s a large device that actually compress layers of film together 696 00:36:57,906 --> 00:37:01,157 然后用这些组合胶片曝光 and creates new exposures of the film so you can combine it the layers 697 00:37:01,158 --> 00:37:03,850 这样组合出来的图像就是电影的最终效果 with images into the final one that you’ve seen in the movie 698 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:13,105 视觉特效部，就是实打实的把胶片一张又一张再一张的叠起来 the visual FX department was literately sandwiching one piece of film next to another piece of film next to another piece of film 699 00:37:08,111 --> 00:37:11,111 {\a6}乔纳森 福克纳，FrameStone视觉特效总监 （阿凡达/大侦探福尔摩斯/V字仇杀队） 700 00:37:13,318 --> 00:37:17,173 而这个过程可能引入巨大的人为破坏 and that really introduces huge mantle depredation 701 00:37:18,849 --> 00:37:23,400 1978年，我们刚刚完成了《星球大战》 in 1978, we had just finished star wars 702 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:28,320 那时候我们没找到更好的数字方法，所以制作还是比较艰苦的 we don’t find digital sharps in there which were very very cruel 703 00:37:28,605 --> 00:37:31,070 比如那个场景的数学图像和其他的一些东西 the diagram with that part kind of thing 704 00:37:31,071 --> 00:37:34,090 不过我知道有些人正在用数位技术做电影 but I knew a lot of guys, they were working with the digital film 705 00:37:34,395 --> 00:37:36,067 所以我成立了一个电脑部门 so I start a computer division 706 00:37:36,627 --> 00:37:40,832 我们在那给工业光魔创立了皮克斯 we developed the pixar computer for ILM 707 00:37:41,186 --> 00:37:44,777 我现在就在我们工业光魔3个电脑室之一 I’m right now with one of our three computer rooms we have here in ILM 708 00:37:44,778 --> 00:37:46,449 我们在这有 and what we have here are 709 00:37:46,450 --> 00:37:50,905 时时刻刻都在运行的千千万万的电脑程序 thousand and millions of cycles of computer power going by every single second 710 00:37:50,906 --> 00:37:54,202 我有点强迫他们尽可能取工业光魔的资源 so I kind push the staff use as much as they could in ILM 711 00:37:54,437 --> 00:37:57,502 在视觉组能够提供的情况下 with this graphics crew that we have 712 00:37:56,502 --> 00:37:59,502 {\a6}星际迷航2， 1982 713 00:38:00,335 --> 00:38:01,729 令人兴奋的是 the exciting about it was 714 00:38:01,730 --> 00:38:03,540 （数字制作）没那么多规矩 they didn’t feel like with a lot of rules 715 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,322 一点也不像“狂野西部” they really don’t seems like kind of wild west 716 00:38:06,323 --> 00:38:15,551 扫描胶片到电脑上并在那做修改成为可能 it starts to become possible to scanning film and bringing the film into the computer and make changes to that 717 00:38:17,441 --> 00:38:21,109 数字化胶片的好处太多了 massive advantage to digitizing your film 718 00:38:21,271 --> 00:38:24,847 可以不必造成任何破坏 with that you couldn’t get any depredation 719 00:38:25,342 --> 00:38:28,315 一旦数字化，就是一堆0和1 once it’s digital there is 1s and 0s 720 00:38:28,316 --> 00:38:31,658 这些0和1在整个过程中都不会改变 they just stay 1s and 0s all the way down the pipe 721 00:38:32,209 --> 00:38:34,995 数字技术对特效来说变得非常重要 (?)digital became important for a FX point of view 722 00:38:35,081 --> 00:38:39,679 特效斗兽场中的第一条通途 the first path through the system was in the FX arena 723 00:38:39,912 --> 00:38:46,042 利用数字技术来让幻想成真 it was using digital technology to realize visions 724 00:38:46,043 --> 00:38:48,503 要是能把胶片转换成数字 if you can take piece of film you can turn it into numbers 725 00:38:48,688 --> 00:38:51,614 你能够操纵这些数字再变回影片 you can manipulate those numbers through back to the film 726 00:38:51,681 --> 00:38:54,679 不过却没有任何限制 but there’s no limit to what you could do 727 00:38:55,140 --> 00:38:58,112 整个世界的大门由此打开 the entire world is wide open 728 00:38:58,262 --> 00:39:02,302 我们所制作的第一个完全数字化的画面 the first real image that we did that was completely digital 729 00:39:02,344 --> 00:39:04,666 是在《少年福尔摩斯》中 was in young Sherlock Holmes 730 00:39:04,666 --> 00:39:07,666 {\a6}少年福尔摩斯，1985 731 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,729 我们有个彩色玻璃做的角色 we have a character made of stained glass 732 00:39:08,730 --> 00:39:11,145 那个玻璃看起来像真的 the glass actually looks real 733 00:39:11,340 --> 00:39:13,159 不像画出来的 not like a graphic in that sort 734 00:39:13,610 --> 00:39:18,070 花了6个月和7场拍摄，很复杂 and it took 6 months and 7 shots which was pretty complicated 735 00:39:18,071 --> 00:39:20,488 不过最后效果出来的时候很不错 but it’s amazing we got it done at that time 736 00:39:20,496 --> 00:39:23,496 {\a6}詹姆斯 卡梅伦，导演/制片 （阿凡达/泰坦尼克号/终结者） 737 00:39:20,496 --> 00:39:23,190 乔治总是在数字技术上更进一步 George was always progressive about digital 738 00:39:23,409 --> 00:39:29,539 而且技术平台的交互性让人觉得很舒服，很早以前就是如此 (?)and something about the fetch communer you just got comfortable with it really early on 739 00:39:28,189 --> 00:39:31,189 {\a6}深渊，1989 740 00:39:32,174 --> 00:39:35,174 {\a6}终结者2，1991 741 00:39:35,353 --> 00:39:38,110 {\a6}侏罗纪公园，1993 742 00:39:38,110 --> 00:39:41,110 {\a6}小猪宝贝，1995 743 00:39:38,110 --> 00:39:40,432 我现在要当一只羊 I was just trying to be a sheep now 744 00:39:40,443 --> 00:39:42,519 哼，狼已经来了 huh, that wolf’s in the world already 745 00:39:42,519 --> 00:39:45,519 {\a6}第五元素，1997 746 00:39:47,302 --> 00:39:50,302 {\a6}星河战队，1997 747 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,136 那时我们还是用胶片摄像机 now we are still shooting on film 748 00:39:52,227 --> 00:39:54,315 还不能直接使用数字拍摄 we ain’t able to shoot on digital cameras yet 749 00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:55,720 {\a6}泰坦尼克号，1997 750 00:39:54,484 --> 00:39:57,270 不过所有的后期制作已经提前数字化了 but all of the post processes is start in front of line 751 00:40:00,796 --> 00:40:03,066 你怎么进到电脑里的 how did you going into the computer? 752 00:40:04,558 --> 00:40:08,227 我拿出手来让他们照张相 I would have my hand and then they would take a picture of it 753 00:40:08,462 --> 00:40:11,809 {\a6}黑客帝国，1999 754 00:40:09,809 --> 00:40:10,809 然后会有台电脑 and then there was a computer 755 00:40:09,810 --> 00:40:13,425 把所有都处理成银一样，那就是我的手 it would do the animation of all look silver and silver hand 756 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,212 然后他们就把这个放到大屏幕上给你看 and they will show you on the movie screen 757 00:40:18,505 --> 00:40:21,756 我们在《黑客帝国三部曲》的经验是 our experience on the trilogy 758 00:40:18,505 --> 00:40:21,520 {\a6}拉娜/安迪 沃卓斯基，导演/制片 （黑客帝国三部曲/极速赛车手/云图） 759 00:40:24,390 --> 00:40:25,390 当你意识到这点其实很有趣 what was really interesting with that you realize 760 00:40:24,391 --> 00:40:28,438 你其实是在碰运气 you are really creating these images in toss 761 00:40:29,433 --> 00:40:33,626 你拍不到这些而只能在电脑上做 you couldn’t shoot the image you made the image in the computer 762 00:40:36,215 --> 00:40:38,723 90年代中后期 middle to late 90s 763 00:40:39,137 --> 00:40:44,976 (?)您是如何开始进行视觉特效的？ I guess its standard death… visual FX… where do you get in 764 00:40:45,193 --> 00:40:47,283 我们在工业光魔有个做特效的项目 we have program in ILM doing our FX 765 00:40:47,284 --> 00:40:50,719 我们要把胶片转换为数字才能完成 we have convert from film to digital in order to do it 766 00:40:50,831 --> 00:40:54,453 这得花一大笔钱，现在我们已经不用再进行这样的转换了 it’s a huge amount of money just now we don’t have to convert any more 767 00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,271 胶片很难处理 film is cumbersome 768 00:40:57,272 --> 00:41:01,798 我想省钱省时间，我要解决这个问题 so I just want to take my money and my time, I’m gonna fix it 769 00:41:02,645 --> 00:41:05,849 我们去索尼公司和他们说 when we went to SONY, and we said: 770 00:41:05,850 --> 00:41:10,307 我们帮你造个数位摄像机吧 we would like to help you work with you to build a digital camera 771 00:41:11,136 --> 00:41:16,059 他（卢卡斯）决定星战（前传）第二部要用数位技术拍 he was on the determine that star wars episode 2 can kind be shot digitally 772 00:41:16,553 --> 00:41:20,965 这就意味所有的工作都要为 that means get all that work out, get pipeline figured out for doing 773 00:41:20,096 --> 00:41:23,925 数位拍摄电影准备好 our production at digital cameras 774 00:41:24,151 --> 00:41:27,216 早期数位摄像的问题之一是 one of the problems with early digital capture 775 00:41:27,433 --> 00:41:28,919 图像的分辨率 was resolution 776 00:41:29,105 --> 00:41:32,078 分辨率是由很多因素决定的 resolution is depended on many factors 777 00:41:32,100 --> 00:41:34,121 不过最基本的因素是 but in the most basic terms 778 00:41:34,122 --> 00:41:37,418 摄像机所能记录的像素数 it is the number of pixels that the camera can record 779 00:41:37,419 --> 00:41:40,870 像素数越多，分辨率越高 the more pixels you had, the higher the resolution 780 00:41:40,871 --> 00:41:43,749 图像所具有的细节也更多 and more detail a image would have 781 00:41:44,184 --> 00:41:47,481 一部标准标清摄像机 a typical standard definition of resolution of SD camera 782 00:41:47,482 --> 00:41:52,822 通常具有720 × 480的分辨率 usually have a resolution of about 720 × 480 pixels 783 00:41:54,390 --> 00:41:57,455 转折发生在2000年 really, the turn-in point was in the year 2000 784 00:41:57,456 --> 00:42:02,398 我们推出了F900，第一部高清摄像机 we came out with F900 camera which was the first high definition camera 785 00:42:02,399 --> 00:42:05,479 在那之前，所有的数位拍摄看起来都像录像 before that, whatever you look was really look like video 786 00:42:05,500 --> 00:42:14,396 高清摄像机可以达到1920分辨率，也就是2K以下 high definition cameras record resolution about 1920 pixels across, just under 2K 787 00:42:15,422 --> 00:42:18,422 {\a6}克隆人进攻，2002 788 00:42:20,313 --> 00:42:22,310 2002年 in 2002 789 00:42:22,311 --> 00:42:24,400 我们完成了《克隆人的进攻》 we did the attack of the clones 790 00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:29,160 这是第一部高清摄像的电影 it was the first major feature that was shot high definition 791 00:42:31,596 --> 00:42:34,475 乔治在《星球大战》中 what George did in star wars movie 792 00:42:34,476 --> 00:42:37,866 实验性的使用了高清摄像机 was take experimental HD camera 793 00:42:37,867 --> 00:42:41,395 其画面质量已达到胶片水平 and ply it to feature film parallel 794 00:42:41,396 --> 00:42:44,396 {\a6}卢卡斯影业，旧金山，加利福尼亚 795 00:42:42,472 --> 00:42:44,515 这在当时是不可想象的 that was unthinkable at that time 796 00:42:45,775 --> 00:42:48,979 不仅仅是对电影协会 it meant that it was around the entire film community 797 00:42:48,980 --> 00:42:51,952 更是对胶片电影本身 but more deeply mean it was around film itself 798 00:42:52,424 --> 00:42:56,975 那时的好莱坞人们经历了严重两极分化的时期 it became a really really polarizing time for a lot people in Hollywood 799 00:42:56,975 --> 00:43:00,179 有好多大会都说我是个骗子 we got a lot bit big meetings saying I was doubling carneys 800 00:43:00,613 --> 00:43:03,539 说我会摧毁电影工业和好多人的工作 I was going to destroy our industry, I was going to destroy our jobs 801 00:43:03,180 --> 00:43:08,853 在影院里他们说：“他嘴上说《克隆人的进攻》是数字拍的，其实不是， in theater that he said he shot the attack of the clones digitally, but he didn’t 802 00:43:08,854 --> 00:43:11,420 “我们听说他其实还是用胶片拍的， we have the words that he actually used film cameras 803 00:43:11,421 --> 00:43:14,531 “他没用数位拍摄，他欺骗了所有人。” he’s not shooting digital, he’s lying to everybody 804 00:43:15,227 --> 00:43:19,128 在1920分辨率下，我觉得画质真的令人震惊 with 1900, I thought the images out there is truly appalling 805 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,390 就是影院品质 I think that was a cinematic camera at all 806 00:43:23,803 --> 00:43:29,608 早些年，我不觉得数位摄像（和胶片）一样 in early years, I didn’t feel digital capture or digital production was the same 807 00:43:29,609 --> 00:43:32,116 他们总说：看，能看出差别吗？ they would always say: see, if you can tell the difference? 808 00:43:32,475 --> 00:43:34,240 然后我说能 and I could tell the difference 809 00:43:34,847 --> 00:43:39,584 我们的F900并非为拍摄电影而设计 our first F900 wasn’t designed like a film camera 810 00:43:40,162 --> 00:43:42,902 不过乔治卢卡斯用它拍了《星战前传》后 of course George Lucas had it shoot star wars 811 00:43:42,903 --> 00:43:45,920 就再也不打算用胶片拍电影了 like he wouldn’t shoot another film on film again 812 00:43:46,218 --> 00:43:49,515 这在好莱坞也获得了很多支持 and that created quite enough pro in Hollywood 813 00:43:49,752 --> 00:43:52,399 数字技术和数字摄像机 digital technology and digital cameras 814 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:57,368 看起来像是一种对 looked like a threat to people’s existence in 815 00:43:57,369 --> 00:43:59,133 人们思考和工作方式的威胁 way of thinking and way of working 816 00:43:59,492 --> 00:44:00,793 电影制作是艺术 film making is an art 817 00:44:00,794 --> 00:44:04,368 对于传统的电影制作者来说 to the traditional film maker it looks like 818 00:44:04,576 --> 00:44:06,341 我们像是在糟蹋艺术 we were messing around with art 819 00:44:06,418 --> 00:44:09,437 他们说你为什么不思进取 and they said why you went backwards, you know what 820 00:44:09,658 --> 00:44:14,766 不过也有很多人说这是有必要的，是前进的必要环节 but it’s a lot said about the necessity, a link back be able to spring forward 821 00:44:14,767 --> 00:44:17,767 {\a6}天行者牧场，加利福尼亚 822 00:44:15,714 --> 00:44:19,058 10年前乔治卢卡斯把大家聚在一起 George Lucas putting up together everybody 10 years ago 823 00:44:19,059 --> 00:44:21,937 在旧金山的天行者牧场开了个会 what a conference he gave the ranch up in San Francisco 824 00:44:22,656 --> 00:44:29,251 澄清了一个事实 and went object of our roles about the idea that 825 00:44:29,443 --> 00:44:32,555 数字技术是不是会把电影摄制终结 digital will put an end to the old cinematography 826 00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,016 他说这就是另一个工具而已 he point out that it’s just another tool 827 00:44:36,259 --> 00:44:37,280 而且这一点不错 and that’s true 828 00:44:37,281 --> 00:44:39,509 当人们看到了乔治卢卡斯的测试 when people saw George Lucas’s test 829 00:44:39,510 --> 00:44:42,435 他们说，这可行不通 they said: that’s not gonna work 830 00:44:42,500 --> 00:44:46,640 不过也有人想，我大概会在10年内接受它 it was the same sort of close mind that we’re gonna work 10 years to adopt that 831 00:44:46,641 --> 00:44:49,741 我得等等，有人上我就上，我上了大家就都上了 I was gonna wait a little, if someone followed I will be one, I will one and that will be entire 832 00:44:49,742 --> 00:44:51,646 我知道是时候了，总是这样的 I know the time is it, it always does 833 00:44:49,742 --> 00:44:52,742 {\a6}《墨西哥往事》片场，2003，设备：SONY F900 834 00:44:51,647 --> 00:44:55,454 我知道这是某件大事的开端 I can tell this is gonna be the beginning of something big 835 00:44:55,460 --> 00:44:57,265 而我想成为这件事的一部分 and I want to be there for that 836 00:44:57,266 --> 00:44:58,672 但是画面很烂啊 but the image sucked 837 00:44:58,673 --> 00:45:02,341 画面没那么差，就是不如胶片拍的好 the image wasn’t bad, but the image wasn’t as good as film 838 00:45:02,701 --> 00:45:06,138 不过却可以让我做一些从没法完成的事 but it allowed me to do something you cannot ever done 839 00:45:06,138 --> 00:45:09,138 {\a6}罪恶之城，2005 840 00:45:08,507 --> 00:45:12,362 我想到了《罪恶之城》那本书，我知道该怎么做了 I picked it in my sin city book, and I know how to do it now 841 00:45:12,363 --> 00:45:14,034 我应该用数字拍摄 I got shoot this digital 842 00:45:14,350 --> 00:45:16,115 可以就像漫画书里表现的那样 I can make it looks just like the book 843 00:45:16,116 --> 00:45:17,648 夜晚如地狱般炎热 the night is hot as hell 844 00:45:18,493 --> 00:45:20,351 楼上有一位女神 upstairs there is a goddess 845 00:45:21,003 --> 00:45:22,814 她说她要我 she’s telling me she wants me 846 00:45:22,815 --> 00:45:25,400 如果不是数字摄像，《罪恶之城》不会存在 sin city will not exist if I didn’t choose digital film 847 00:45:25,401 --> 00:45:27,133 我甚至根本想不到去拍 I wouldn’t even thought to do it 848 00:45:28,194 --> 00:45:31,491 他们想要一些事情推动艺术形式的发展 they wish to do thing that push the art form 849 00:45:31,492 --> 00:45:34,417 技术推动艺术，而艺术也推动技术发展 technology push the art and art push technology 850 00:45:35,723 --> 00:45:37,952 《罪恶之城》的出现石破天惊 sin city came out hit people like break eggs 851 00:45:37,953 --> 00:45:40,042 他们不知道他们看的是什么 they have no idea what they are looking at 852 00:45:40,043 --> 00:45:43,711 他们想要在表面下的有些东西消失 something hiding from it under rock and hopes it goes away 853 00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:47,890 你完成了一些人么认为不可能的事情 you end it up doing something that people didn’t realize was possible 854 00:45:49,235 --> 00:45:54,018 效果如此惊人，你知道一切皆有可能 it’s so amazed that which it had that knowing anything is possible 855 00:45:54,019 --> 00:45:57,919 这个系统有着你从没感受过的颜色广度 the system got better for color and you didn’t working of that color space 856 00:46:03,543 --> 00:46:07,583 电影经过了拍摄、剪辑和视觉特效合成后 after the movie is shot, edited and VFX being added 857 00:46:07,584 --> 00:46:12,367 色彩配光师会在实验室里继续调整电影的画面 the colorist or color timers in the lab make adjustment to the look of the movie 858 00:46:13,394 --> 00:46:15,623 在传统化学摄像法中 in the traditional photo chemical method 859 00:46:15,624 --> 00:46:18,456 底片要经过显影和印片 the negative is developed in print is made 860 00:46:19,312 --> 00:46:23,770 在黑白电影时代的配光 timing goes back to the days when there’s only black and white 861 00:46:19,312 --> 00:46:22,312 {\a6}唐 希亚那，特艺彩色配光师 862 00:46:23,771 --> 00:46:28,693 这些画面展示了旧时实验室的暗房操作 these scenes showed the dark room operations of the laboratory in the old days 863 00:46:28,694 --> 00:46:34,126 主要就是自己看底片 I had my job it’s looked at the negative and the side how long 864 00:46:34,127 --> 00:46:36,913 以及要在显影床里泡多长时间 it would have to stay in the beds 865 00:46:36,914 --> 00:46:38,826 第一次如果不行… if the first wasn’t right… 866 00:46:38,860 --> 00:46:41,065 那就继续泡 dunk, dunk again 867 00:46:41,066 --> 00:46:44,863 所以这就是配光跟时间的关系 so, it was time related 868 00:46:45,687 --> 00:46:47,637 随着彩色胶片的发明 with the advent of color film 869 00:46:47,637 --> 00:46:50,637 {\a6}绿野仙踪，1939 870 00:46:47,638 --> 00:46:50,981 配光师的工作也变成更具创造性的过程 the timers became more involved into creative process 871 00:46:53,740 --> 00:46:58,012 实验室里，色彩配光师、摄影指导和导演决定 at the lab, the color timer, DP, and director determine the look 872 00:46:58,013 --> 00:47:02,053 最后的印片样式，以在影院上映 for the final prints there will be seen by the public in the theaters 873 00:47:03,666 --> 00:47:06,452 化学摄像中唯一能做的调整是 the only adjustment that can make photo chemically 874 00:47:06,453 --> 00:47:11,375 红绿蓝三原色及亮度的整合 are color bands between red, green, blue and brightness 875 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:18,780 我们的工作就是达成导演和摄影想要的结果 our job basically is to achieve the vision of the director and the DP 876 00:47:15,363 --> 00:47:18,363 {\a6}泰瑞 海格，特艺彩色配光师 877 00:47:19,109 --> 00:47:21,570 并在胶片上实现 and make it happen on a piece of film 878 00:47:22,555 --> 00:47:25,248 我会和导演和摄影坐在一起 like I was sitting with the director and the DP 879 00:47:25,249 --> 00:47:28,499 他们会说这有点太红或太模糊或太蓝了 and they’ll say that is a little bit too red, too smear, too blue 880 00:47:28,922 --> 00:47:34,309 然后我们就在头脑中调整 and we will manipulated in our minds as how much to 881 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:39,743 怎么改变或做不同的对比度平衡 change it or to make different cuts balance with each othe 882 00:47:40,813 --> 00:47:42,345 胶片时代的配光 when the time was on the film 883 00:47:42,054 --> 00:47:46,664 基本上靠脑袋想然后用嘴说 they got to do it pretty much from the head by the tuition 884 00:47:46,664 --> 00:47:47,407 是么 yeah 885 00:47:47,408 --> 00:47:49,497 这很难的，非常难 it was hard, very hard 886 00:47:47,408 --> 00:47:50,408 {\a6}安德烈 巴克维亚，摄影 （非法入侵/生死时速/魔鬼代言人） 887 00:47:55,665 --> 00:47:56,665 所以为了做到要付出很多劳动和艺术心血 so in order to do this there were a lot of art and labor involved in it 888 00:47:55,666 --> 00:47:58,312 为了达到最后的效果，这些人很努力 these people really work hard to that, achieve that 889 00:47:59,578 --> 00:48:05,569 配光是个很令人沮丧的过程 I still found it very very frustrating that timing process 890 00:48:05,570 --> 00:48:09,470 在片子播放的时候在不停的说，还要跟上剪辑的速度 you kind of talking over the thing while it’s running and trying to keep up with the cuts 891 00:48:09,470 --> 00:48:12,470 {\a6}史蒂文 索德伯格，导演/摄影 （11罗汉/切格瓦拉/传染病） 892 00:48:09,471 --> 00:48:12,311 然后还有些专业词汇 and saying that I don’t know it’s a little science to me 893 00:48:12,312 --> 00:48:15,609 他们就不停地把脚注写下来 something in the guys they are trying to write it down, write the footage down 894 00:48:15,610 --> 00:48:20,576 这个过程一直就是这样，感觉很疯狂 as it goes on you can’t stop and that seems crazy 895 00:48:23,364 --> 00:48:27,776 数字色彩校正工具首先被使用到短片中 digital color correction tools were first to use for shorter pieces 896 00:48:27,777 --> 00:48:30,098 例如广告和音乐录像 such as commercials and music videos 897 00:48:30,100 --> 00:48:32,420 在音乐录像中配光 basting time in music videos 898 00:48:32,421 --> 00:48:35,421 {\a6}史蒂凡 索纳菲德，DI配光师 （借刀杀人/斯巴达300勇士/爱丽丝漫游仙境） 899 00:48:32,421 --> 00:48:41,012 我们完成了最疯狂的和最具突破性的视觉体验 and we came up some of the craziest and ground breaking visual images 900 00:48:41,498 --> 00:48:46,095 而来到这样的一个房间 and it was just amazing ability to come to a room like this 901 00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:52,365 制作人么从没见过的画面，本来就很神奇 and manipulate something to create images that people never seen before 902 00:48:56,000 --> 00:49:01,340 数字色彩校正开始取代传统的化学摄像色彩配光 digital color correction began replacing traditional photo chemical methods of color timing 903 00:49:03,151 --> 00:49:06,151 {\a6}吉尔 博格丹诺维茨，DI配光师 （胡佛/老爷车/灵魂歌王） 904 00:49:03,151 --> 00:49:07,860 我的工作就是保证制作人能够达到他们想要的效果 my job is to be able to make sure the creatives get everything what they want 905 00:49:07,861 --> 00:49:11,041 保证摄影得到他要的对比度 make sure the photographer gets the pilot of contrast that he wants 906 00:49:11,042 --> 00:49:14,000 保证导演想要的电影色调 and the director gets the feelings he wants around movie 907 00:49:14,001 --> 00:49:16,322 保证我们能看到演员的眼睛 make sure that we can see all actors eyes 908 00:49:16,323 --> 00:49:18,736 饱含他想要的感情 and see all the emotion that he wants to see 909 00:49:19,641 --> 00:49:23,217 现在我来建立一个我们说的能量窗 I can now start building what we call power window 910 00:49:23,218 --> 00:49:28,418 在这我可以做任何我想要的改动 in a power window I can change any kind of view I want 911 00:49:28,518 --> 00:49:32,180 比如左边的这些树 I just want these trees over on the left 912 00:49:32,181 --> 00:49:37,427 我可以改变它们的颜色 I can take the color that I want on those trees 913 00:49:37,428 --> 00:49:40,260 我能把它隔离出来 and I can isolate it 914 00:49:40,261 --> 00:49:44,765 接着就可以变成任何颜色了 now I can change those trees in any color I want 915 00:49:45,127 --> 00:49:48,982 导演和摄影会来和我们一起几周 the cinematographer and the director coming and we spend a couple of weeks 916 00:49:48,983 --> 00:49:51,983 {\a6}蒂姆 斯蒂潘，DI配光师 （黑天鹅/摔跤王/切格瓦拉） 917 00:49:48,983 --> 00:49:52,418 把电影调整到更好看 grading the film and give it that look make it look beautiful 918 00:49:52,419 --> 00:49:55,127 到他们想要的程度 however they want to look 919 00:49:55,128 --> 00:49:59,802 只要合理我都能做到，这种感觉很棒 I had a great feeling that I can do just about anything you asked me to do it in reason 920 00:49:59,803 --> 00:50:01,938 是谁发明了这个系统呢 who invented this process 921 00:50:01,939 --> 00:50:04,910 你知道曾经用在音乐录像上的技术吧 the same technology people used for music videos 922 00:50:04,911 --> 00:50:06,397 把画面变得很酷 create how cool it looks 923 00:50:06,398 --> 00:50:10,158 而现在的技术是过去的10年间发展起来的 and basically what happened was over last 10 years 924 00:50:10,159 --> 00:50:13,223 只是更加进化并自由了 it just evolved and it becomes a lot more free mind 925 00:50:13,223 --> 00:50:16,223 {\a6}逃狱三王，2000 926 00:50:15,586 --> 00:50:18,373 这是第一部从头到尾 Over there were art that it was really the first movie 927 00:50:18,374 --> 00:50:21,113 使用特效配光的电影 where at basically that every single frame was the visual fact 928 00:50:21,114 --> 00:50:25,524 为了达到效果用数字技术配光 So its all color times digitally for the look 929 00:50:25,525 --> 00:50:31,004 所以这是第一部DI So it’s a first DI. It’s just kind of… 930 00:50:31,005 --> 00:50:33,610 罗杰迪金斯（《逃狱三王》摄影）在这说： Roger Deakins sit in the room and saying 931 00:50:33,611 --> 00:50:37,557 我不能用化学摄像法 I can’t get what I want in photo chemical 932 00:50:37,558 --> 00:50:38,672 因为每次我想要给配光成美丽的金色蓝天就全没了 Because every time I color time this nice golden color I lose my blue sky 933 00:50:38,673 --> 00:50:40,622 我该怎么办啊 what am I gonna do 934 00:50:40,623 --> 00:50:42,479 有点太黄了是不是 it’s a little bit yellow isn’t it 935 00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:46,236 应该更棕一点 should be sort of more brown 936 00:50:46,237 --> 00:50:51,438 所以我跟他说 So he came in to testing actually I sat with him and showed him 937 00:50:51,439 --> 00:50:54,875 我们能做，我们能做到画面中的每个细节 Ok we can key it, what we do is we can basically affect everything in the image 938 00:50:54,876 --> 00:50:57,221 不过蓝天是不行了，因为这会毁掉其他的东西 except for the blue in the sky also they will ruin overalls 939 00:50:57,222 --> 00:51:00,936 所以蓝色就不能用了 so the blue’s in wardrobe 940 00:51:00,937 --> 00:51:02,608 不过其他的，像这些绿树如果不是你要的颜色 but everything else like the green trees that are not in pilot that you want 941 00:51:02,608 --> 00:51:02,700 我们可以把它调成棕黄色 we can exaggerate them in brown gold 942 00:51:06,213 --> 00:51:10,161 所以这部电影的画面很成功 so out of the successive look for the movie 943 00:51:10,162 --> 00:51:12,400 接着其他的人也跟进 and other people catching on and say 944 00:51:12,401 --> 00:51:15,003 “哇，我也可以试试那个” woo, I can use that in 945 00:51:15,004 --> 00:51:18,572 接着（DI）就变得流行起来 it just became more and more popular 946 00:51:18,573 --> 00:51:21,350 化学摄像配光法真的很令人沮丧 timing is a very frustrating process on photo chemical 947 00:51:21,351 --> 00:51:24,284 很残酷而且也基本上干不了什么 it’s very cruelled, hardly to do anything 948 00:51:24,300 --> 00:51:26,049 不过DI就不一样了 that’s a whole thing about DI 949 00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:30,580 我可以圈出一个小东西，可以让一张脸更红 while I can go in to circle a little thing and make a face a little bit redder 950 00:51:30,597 --> 00:51:34,080 还可以隔离背景，简直是天堂啊 and bring out the background I was just in heaven 951 00:51:34,081 --> 00:51:36,960 太不可思议了，我可以做任何事来完成一部电影 it’s amazing I can do anything to success movie 952 00:51:36,961 --> 00:51:39,647 现在回想比较有趣的是 what I find interesting now looking back 953 00:51:39,648 --> 00:51:45,382 从我最初成为摄影师的时候开始 to the beginning of experimentation of as a cinematographer like myself 954 00:51:45,383 --> 00:51:48,383 {\a6}暖暖内含光，2004 955 00:51:45,383 --> 00:51:49,540 从电影诞生到数码世界 Going from a film original and the digital world 956 00:51:49,541 --> 00:51:54,693 我们一直在寻找能够控制画面并更具操控力的方法 Seeking more control of the image and being able to manipulate the image more 957 00:51:54,694 --> 00:51:57,294 不过现在却是我们失去了更多控制 And now we actually have lost control 958 00:51:57,300 --> 00:52:02,635 我们放弃了底片，也放弃了成品 Because we then give away our negative, give away our product 959 00:52:02,636 --> 00:52:06,257 能拿到的人都可以对其进行操作 Anybody can take it after that and can manipulate it 960 00:52:06,660 --> 00:52:10,979 这是最后成品很重要的一个方面 (?)this cording is really an important aspect of the final product 961 00:52:11,230 --> 00:52:15,502 我是把电影做成更好的样子 I’m the one that pushing these buttons to make your film look a certain way 962 00:52:15,503 --> 00:52:17,313 虽然我要接受指示 Yes I’m getting the direction but 963 00:52:17,314 --> 00:52:21,490 不过这需要很多自己的东西来承担这个责任 it’s a lot of my own confidence to crane that certain amount 964 00:52:21,491 --> 00:52:23,583 把它带领到一个正确的方向 And push that into a certain direction 965 00:52:23,590 --> 00:52:27,577 所以我基本上是真正接触它的人 So I’m kind of like the last person who really gets the touch of it 966 00:52:27,711 --> 00:52:31,705 摄影和配光师之间开始变得对抗 It started to become very adversarial between cinematographer and colorist 967 00:52:31,706 --> 00:52:35,838 因为他们都想“他不是决定电影画面的人，我才是” because they were like “he shouldn’t be determining how the film looks like, I do that” 968 00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,157 不过过程之美就在于这是个团队啊 the beauty of this process is it’s a team 969 00:52:39,158 --> 00:52:42,548 这有可能把DP的权利削弱 it could take the power away from the DP but I think it’s 970 00:52:42,549 --> 00:52:47,795 不过我认为作为摄影的工作就是尽量让拍出来的东西好看 your job as a cinematographer to try your best to see it through the eye 971 00:52:48,445 --> 00:52:52,114 他们会尽量控制DI They will do everything to make sure they president the DI 972 00:52:52,115 --> 00:52:56,572 来实现他们所想的画面 And that will supervise that the dare vision they intend was executed 973 00:52:56,573 --> 00:52:59,573 {\a6}迈克尔 包豪斯，摄影 （纽约黑帮/好家伙/无间道风云） 974 00:52:56,573 --> 00:52:59,452 在《纽约黑帮》里，他们要我做DI In gangs of New York they offer me to do a DI 975 00:52:59,453 --> 00:53:02,453 {\a6}纽约黑帮，2002 976 00:53:02,729 --> 00:53:06,676 因为每件事都已经准备好了 But because everything was built for us 977 00:53:06,677 --> 00:53:10,020 我们从大屏幕上看见的就是我们想要的 what we had on screen was exactly what we wanted 978 00:53:10,100 --> 00:53:14,711 并不需要DI去改变什么 It didn’t have to have a DI to change everything 979 00:53:16,707 --> 00:53:19,261 我通常都是通过摄像机 but I’m trying always to do it in camera 980 00:53:19,281 --> 00:53:22,917 用光，滤镜和镜头来调整图像 and with lighting and with filters and lenses 981 00:53:22,918 --> 00:53:25,425 而不是拍完了用DI But not later in the DI 982 00:53:25,426 --> 00:53:28,908 不过如果你有个特别的故事 OK, if you have a special story 983 00:53:28,950 --> 00:53:32,020 需要你改变现实 when you need to change the reality 984 00:53:32,021 --> 00:53:34,109 那DI就的确是个好东西 Then the DI is something wonderful 985 00:53:34,110 --> 00:53:37,174 因为你可以在画面上实现你想做的一切 because you can do whatever you want in the image 986 00:53:37,175 --> 00:53:39,729 这很不错 which can be great, which can be wonderful 987 00:53:41,406 --> 00:53:43,960 一旦电影数字化的拷贝完成了 Once we get done digitally clap cracking your movie 988 00:53:44,378 --> 00:53:47,629 我们会做一份全新的底片去印片 We make a brand new negative and then make a print of that negative 989 00:53:48,136 --> 00:53:52,176 然后我们会对比数字和印片 then we look at the print versus the data in the side by side fashion 990 00:53:57,647 --> 00:53:58,647 把印片和数字匹配 And we dealt in the print to match the data 991 00:53:58,826 --> 00:54:01,612 处理成需要的样子 To make the print exact the way it should 992 00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:10,345 你对制作母片的工作有什么感觉 How do you feel about you do all these work to have a pristine 993 00:54:10,346 --> 00:54:14,943 有些印片很完美，有些就（不那么好） and you got to have some prints perfect, and some prints… 994 00:54:14,944 --> 00:54:17,961 完成之后你能放得下么 Will you let it go once you created it? 995 00:54:17,962 --> 00:54:21,119 说实话去电影院的时候 honestly the truth of the fact is that when you go to a theater 996 00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:24,323 你看到了几周心血的最终版 You watch that prints used to spend weeks of labor on 997 00:54:24,324 --> 00:54:26,413 其实每家影院都不一样 Every theater looks different 998 00:54:26,827 --> 00:54:30,125 放映机的光照强度不一样 They have the lumination on their projector in different level 999 00:54:30,126 --> 00:54:32,075 还有其他的许多原因 or other so many variables 1000 00:54:28,492 --> 00:54:36,982 我们真正担心的改变画面的东西实际上是放映机 The real alter alternatively from the picture we used to worry about is projections 1001 00:54:36,983 --> 00:54:38,468 声音可大可小 Sounds could be loud and low 1002 00:54:38,469 --> 00:54:40,743 演员的头可能看见也可能看不见 You can see the head of the actor or not 1003 00:54:40,744 --> 00:54:43,065 因为放出框了，他们（放映员）挺忙的 Cause they can frame you out, cause they’re busy 1004 00:54:43,066 --> 00:54:44,350 总有事情要做 They got things to do 1005 00:54:45,567 --> 00:54:48,492 可能一卷胶片发蓝，另一卷发黄 film come up one reel be blue and another reel be brown 1006 00:54:48,430 --> 00:54:50,118 都是因为放映机 because use the projector like 1007 00:54:50,119 --> 00:54:53,090 我们曾经还挺享受这个，因为是电影的一部分嘛 we got to enjoy that because that’s the part of film 1008 00:54:53,091 --> 00:54:57,409 我看到印片总是失望 it’s always a huge disappointment for me to see a film print 1009 00:54:57,410 --> 00:54:58,616 因为真是太让人郁闷了 because it’s depressing 1010 00:54:58,617 --> 00:55:02,006 一点也不清晰，没个分明的断点 it’s not sharp, it does not have any snap 1011 00:55:02,007 --> 00:55:05,304 摇摇晃晃，脏兮兮，相当可恨 it’s shaking, it’s dirty, I hate it 1012 00:55:06,712 --> 00:55:09,266 我把它放大巨大的显示屏上 I put it in the tremendous monitor effort 1013 00:55:08,304 --> 00:55:11,304 {\a6}乔司 维克诺，摄影 （潜艇风暴/全面回忆/星河战队） 1014 00:55:09,266 --> 00:55:14,189 就是为了我所想的影响成真 To make my images the way I have them in mind 1015 00:55:14,190 --> 00:55:19,158 我为此制作它们，在摄像机上完成它们 And I create them; I have them on the finish product in the camera 1016 00:55:19,159 --> 00:55:21,248 不过看看后来呢 But what happens afterwards 1017 00:55:21,583 --> 00:55:23,580 影院里电影的质量真是不堪目睹 The quality of film is terrible at theater 1018 00:55:24,181 --> 00:55:25,760 每个好莱坞人都说： And anybody in Hollywood they say: 1019 00:55:25,761 --> 00:55:27,664 “天啊，在摄像机上看着可不是这样啊” “Oh, it’s not that of camera, no” 1020 00:55:27,665 --> 00:55:29,986 所以他们从来不去电影院，看看真正的影院放映是个什么样子 so they never go to a theater to see it in the real theater 1021 00:55:29,988 --> 00:55:35,234 《泰坦尼克号》播放的次数太多了，我们的印片实际已经散架了 Titanic plays so long in theaters we actually had our prints fell apart 1022 00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,600 早些时候从放映机里掉出来摔碎了 They’d early just dropped out the projectors and in pieces 1023 00:55:39,523 --> 00:55:42,914 所以我们绞尽脑汁去获得更好的放映质量 So we were struggling of trying to get qualities in the theaters 1024 00:55:43,594 --> 00:55:46,751 事实是，如果使用数码放映 And out of that came the fact that if it was digital 1025 00:55:47,578 --> 00:55:51,408 那效果就很棒了，没有划痕，也不会被撕裂 You have a brilliant thing, you wouldn’t have to scratch it, you wouldn’t have to tear it 1026 00:55:51,409 --> 00:55:53,637 …这部电影已经席卷了… …the movie has been overwhelming… 1027 00:55:53,638 --> 00:55:57,585 1999年，我们实现了数字放映《幽灵的威胁》 In 1999, we were able to project phantom menace digitally 1028 00:55:57,586 --> 00:56:00,600 2家在纽约，2家在洛杉矶 We have 2 theaters in New York, 2 theaters in LA 1029 00:56:00,862 --> 00:56:05,749 那是主流好莱坞电影第一次用数字放映 And that was the first time that major Hollywood movie projected digitally 1030 00:56:06,071 --> 00:56:08,532 那时候全国也就40家（数字放映影院） There were up to 40 there in this country 1031 00:56:09,495 --> 00:56:11,027 99年的时候 Just for in 99 1032 00:56:11,769 --> 00:56:16,878 2002年，有150家多点 By 2002, there were still over 150 1033 00:56:17,705 --> 00:56:20,166 不过已经落后了 The post flow was already there 1034 00:56:20,266 --> 00:56:21,195 全都数字化了 it is all digital 1035 00:56:21,428 --> 00:56:23,330 所以电影工业的其它也会跟进 And the rest of the industry was going there 1036 00:56:23,331 --> 00:56:27,883 声音已经数字化了，剪辑方式也是 Sound was already got there, Editorial was got there 1037 00:56:27,884 --> 00:56:30,298 摄像机拖后腿了 The camera is lagging behind 1038 00:56:30,462 --> 00:56:33,462 {\a6}借刀杀人，2004 1039 00:56:33,718 --> 00:56:37,155 新的公司开始发展高清摄像机 New companies began to develop high definition cameras 1040 00:56:37,156 --> 00:56:40,313 其它的好莱坞电影也开始跟随卢卡斯脚步 And the other Hollywood films followed Lucas’s lead 1041 00:56:42,272 --> 00:56:45,615 迈克尔曼的《借刀杀人》使用了汤姆森蝰蛇 Michael Mann’s Collateral used the Thomson viper 1042 00:56:45,616 --> 00:56:50,027 这是一架在黑暗环境中优于胶片摄影机的高清摄像机 a HD camera that outperform film in shooting darker enviroments 1043 00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:47,000 {\a6}设备：汤姆森蝰蛇，2004 1044 00:56:51,747 --> 00:56:53,698 迈克尔想要在夜里也能看见 Micheal wants to see into the night 1045 00:56:56,404 --> 00:56:59,404 {\a6}迪奥 毕博，摄影 （借刀杀人/绿灯侠/芝加哥） 1046 00:56:56,404 --> 00:57:02,074 对于数位摄像机来说这是大显身手的时间 and that point is really best time for digital cameras 1047 00:57:02,075 --> 00:57:08,105 把（摄像）边界推向数字摄像机所擅长的方面 twit up and pushed the boundry on what digital was capable of 1048 00:57:09,909 --> 00:57:11,952 《借刀杀人》有意思在哪 Collateral is interesting that 1049 00:57:12,249 --> 00:57:15,128 它看起来完全是我们所见的那种 it was suppose to look exactly the way it looks 1050 00:57:18,833 --> 00:57:22,037 室外的纽约在晚上不是黑的 The New York outside at night you don’t see black 1051 00:57:22,037 --> 00:57:26,091 你可以看见整个城市有 You see all around the city of 1052 00:57:26,093 --> 00:57:31,016 绿色，大红，紫色的光和天空的雾霭 Green, magenta, purple lights and haze in the sky 1053 00:57:31,017 --> 00:57:32,687 你可以看见所有这些疯狂的颜色 you just see all these crazy colors 1054 00:57:32,688 --> 00:57:36,217 能够捕获这样的影像，只能用数位摄像机 the only way that capture them at that time was digitally 1055 00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,972 现在都在说晚上照相的事 you got a lot of this on night talking on photography going now 1056 00:57:42,265 --> 00:57:45,739 不过就是用了不同感光度的CCD this just using the different sensitivities of your CCD chips 1057 00:57:46,063 --> 00:57:49,128 晚上能够捕捉更多的紫外线 it seizes a little more UV spectrum 1058 00:57:49,129 --> 00:57:54,347 所以就鼓励电影人去拍不同的夜景 so you got film makers try to use that to give a different ascetic to night time lighting 1059 00:57:54,348 --> 00:57:58,201 不过对我来说这些还是和录像差不多 (?)but to me it’s still of all we’re telling the flame of video 1060 00:57:58,644 --> 00:58:02,824 蝰蛇摄像机的出现告诉我 the viper was the first camera that really told me that 1061 00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:06,995 数码时代强劲崛起 the digital age was right jetting up in a tensity 1062 00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:10,204 数位摄像机竞争将随即而至 I can see the foot race and the cameras coming 1063 00:58:11,766 --> 00:58:17,849 2005年，潘那维申，胶片摄像机制造的先驱 In 2005, Panavision, an established force in the film camera business 1064 00:58:17,850 --> 00:58:23,097 进行了对单传感器摄像机的一系列动作 Made a serial push into digital with large sensor of single chip camera 1065 00:58:23,100 --> 00:58:26,069 我们开始将这视作一种真正的影片格式 We started looking at this as real format 1066 00:58:26,069 --> 00:58:29,069 {\a6}鲍勃 哈维，潘纳维申全球市场部高级副总裁 1067 00:58:26,069 --> 00:58:31,642 我们觉得最好是我们来设计一台 And we decided the best thing we can do is design 1068 00:58:31,650 --> 00:58:34,661 我叫它“能用影带的胶片摄像机” What I used to call it a film camera that takes tape 1069 00:58:35,179 --> 00:58:38,569 然后我们开始着手于“创世” And that’s when we started drawing up the genesis 1070 00:58:38,569 --> 00:58:41,569 {\a6}设备：潘纳维申 创世，2005 1071 00:58:39,787 --> 00:58:43,503 “创世”具有全幅45mm芯片 “Genesis” is a full frame, 45mm chip 1072 00:58:43,510 --> 00:58:47,543 这可以使影像获得和胶片相似的景深 that allows depth of field very similar to film 1073 00:58:49,663 --> 00:58:52,635 而且可以使用我们的45mm镜头 And we can use all our 45mm lenses 1074 00:58:52,636 --> 00:58:55,422 总共有上千种 Which total for thousands, literally 1075 00:58:55,423 --> 00:58:58,921 我们和索尼合作 And we went to the work partner up to SONY on it 1076 00:58:58,922 --> 00:59:02,404 他们负责设计电器元件 they design the electronics and we put it together 1077 00:59:02,405 --> 00:59:05,701 接着第一台被用于电影正片制作的 and we introduced the first full frame digital camera 1078 00:59:05,900 --> 00:59:07,651 全幅摄像机就诞生了 For making feature films 1079 00:59:08,110 --> 00:59:10,850 “创世”的画质超级高，因为潘那维申制造嘛 The “genesis” was high to hell because it’s from Panavision 1080 00:59:10,851 --> 00:59:14,054 还有潘那维申专用特级系统 And it was so designing A system for Panavision 1081 00:59:14,100 --> 00:59:18,141 最好的是还能使用潘那维申的镜头 The good about it was it took Panavision lenses 1082 00:59:18,150 --> 00:59:20,509 具有全幅传感器 It was with a 35mm sensor 1083 00:59:20,510 --> 00:59:24,085 而“蝰蛇”的只是2/3寸传感器 While the viper used 2/3’’ sensor 1084 00:59:24,874 --> 00:59:27,874 {\a6}超人归来，2006 1085 00:59:24,874 --> 00:59:28,729 人们想获得和35mm胶片一样的感受 people wanted the same feel same look they got from 35mm 1086 00:59:28,730 --> 00:59:30,401 “创世”能够做到 which caught what you got with “genesis” 1087 00:59:30,402 --> 00:59:32,909 而且画面超好 And it gave pretty good images 1088 00:59:32,910 --> 00:59:36,206 这是我们为电影制作精心设计的 We were very careful to design it for film crews 1089 00:59:36,300 --> 00:59:40,339 要是说对比以前有什么变化 So the transition, if there’s going to be one 1090 00:59:40,500 --> 00:59:43,032 那就是制作电影更加简便 Would be easy for the people making movies 1091 00:59:43,529 --> 00:59:47,955 迪恩塞姆勒因为《与狼共舞》获得了学院奖 Dean Semler who was academic award cinematographer, financer of dance with wolves 1092 00:59:48,090 --> 00:59:50,784 他在墨西哥拍摄《启示录》的时候 Shot apocalypto down in Mexico 1093 00:59:48,090 --> 00:59:51,090 {\a6}《启示录》片场，2006 1094 00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:54,499 那的温度有100（华氏），湿度200 where the tempreture was 100 degrees and humility was 200 1095 00:59:54,500 --> 00:59:57,378 而且基本没变化（不停工） And never had a second of down time 1096 00:59:57,379 --> 00:59:59,236 他感觉这就和摄像机一样 He felt it was like a film camera 1097 01:00:01,747 --> 01:00:03,094 35磅重 It’s 35 ponds 1098 01:00:03,666 --> 01:00:05,199 他妈的破机器有这么大 Fucking cameras this big 1099 01:00:05,845 --> 01:00:09,653 在顶上还有一个像胶卷盒的东西 And on the top of it, it looks like film magazine 1100 01:00:09,807 --> 01:00:11,419 录像机和机身连在一起 The recorder attached to it 1101 01:00:11,420 --> 01:00:14,915 和胶卷盒一样 The same way the mag will attach at the top on the back 1102 01:00:14,916 --> 01:00:16,727 我想看看刚拍了什么 I want to see what we just got shot 1103 01:00:17,372 --> 01:00:18,951 能回放吗 does it a playback off that? 1104 01:00:18,952 --> 01:00:21,041 不能，就和底片一样 no, you never touch that like original negative 1105 01:00:21,100 --> 01:00:22,295 我就直说了 so if you see I get straight 1106 01:00:22,296 --> 01:00:26,225 你和索尼在摄像机研发上花了几百万 you got to spend how many millions developing camera with SONY 1107 01:00:26,230 --> 01:00:30,311 然后你告诉我不能回看 and I can’t play the HD back to look at it 1108 01:00:30,312 --> 01:00:31,379 因为这是底片吗？ because that’s the negative? 1109 01:00:31,380 --> 01:00:34,380 {\a6}迈阿密风云，2006，数字拍摄 1110 01:00:32,526 --> 01:00:34,615 在06/07年的时候 where we were in those 06, 07 1111 01:00:34,616 --> 01:00:37,913 我们已经有了不错的色度和分辨率 we had the color space and the revolution 1112 01:00:37,914 --> 01:00:39,570 不过动态范围还不行 but we didn’t have the dynamic range 1113 01:00:37,914 --> 01:00:39,570 {\a6}*动态范围：亮度反差的范围* 1114 01:00:39,571 --> 01:00:42,464 所以取景的时候一定要小心 so we had to be careful on the sight 1115 01:00:42,541 --> 01:00:44,491 动态范围是硬伤 dynamic range is veto 1116 01:00:44,473 --> 01:00:47,204 对我来说动态范围比什么都总要 dynamic range is more important than anything to me 1117 01:00:47,205 --> 01:00:49,805 这也拖慢了我换数位摄像的进程 so that really me slow down to shoot digitally 1118 01:00:49,900 --> 01:00:52,220 看看动态范围的事吧 if you have thought of the range 1119 01:00:52,230 --> 01:00:55,378 要是黑与白本来的感觉是这样 if the dark and bright is felt like this 1120 01:00:55,379 --> 01:00:58,379 {\a6}潜艇风暴，1981，胶片拍摄 1121 01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:57,253 要使用数位拍摄 as shoot in digital 1122 01:00:57,254 --> 01:00:59,390 就没有这么宽的范围了 you don’t have this wide range 1123 01:00:59,391 --> 01:01:02,873 填不满光亮和黑暗之间的空间 which fill the heights between the blacks and the lights 1124 01:01:03,063 --> 01:01:05,478 所以亮些的没有了 so whatever up here is cut off 1125 01:01:05,479 --> 01:01:07,707 暗些的也没有了 and whatever down there is also cut off 1126 01:01:07,865 --> 01:01:10,865 {\a6}沃利 菲斯特，摄影 （黑暗骑士/盗梦空间/记忆碎片） 1127 01:01:07,865 --> 01:01:12,834 我就是不知道它怎么能能让我达到想要的效果 I just don’t feel how it is allowed to enable me to do what I want to do 1128 01:01:12,834 --> 01:01:15,834 {\a6}数字拍摄 1129 01:01:12,873 --> 01:01:17,431 你不能指望5档过度曝光还能看到什么 you can’t overexpose by 5 stops and still have something in the image 1130 01:01:17,450 --> 01:01:22,400 你也不能指望4档曝光不足还能看到些什么 you can’t underexpose it by 4 stops and still have traces in the image 1131 01:01:22,500 --> 01:01:25,054 我觉得只能是一片空白 I think you’ll find plain in those areas 1132 01:01:27,196 --> 01:01:32,862 在2005年，吉姆詹那德，价值数十亿的太阳镜和运动服饰公司 in 2005, Jim Jannard, the founder and owner of the multi billion-dollar 1133 01:01:32,863 --> 01:01:35,602 Oakley的创始人和拥有者 sunglass and sports apparel company, Oakley 1134 01:01:35,652 --> 01:01:40,153 开始制作一架面向影院市场的数位摄像机 set out to create a new cinematic affordable digital camera 1135 01:01:40,350 --> 01:01:43,350 {\a6}吉姆 詹那德，RED数位电影创始人 1136 01:01:40,350 --> 01:01:45,643 数字对胶片不够尊重 digital wasn’t paying enough respect to film 1137 01:01:45,700 --> 01:01:47,918 也不如胶片好 it wasn’t as good as film 1138 01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:51,731 对我来说一切皆可更好 and to me everything in the world can and will be made better 1139 01:01:51,732 --> 01:01:54,192 就看何时何人了 the only question is when and by whom 1140 01:01:55,000 --> 01:02:00,944 取代胶片的运动开始了 there was a technological movements towards the eventual replacement of film 1141 01:02:01,597 --> 01:02:04,597 {\a6}泰德 施洛维茨，RED数位电影 1142 01:02:01,597 --> 01:02:04,894 当时的现象就是，主流厂商 what was happening in some of the major manufactures 1143 01:02:04,895 --> 01:02:08,795 都想在做自己的HD摄像产品 is they were creating video level tools essentially HD tools 1144 01:02:08,796 --> 01:02:12,231 并试图将其推广到电影市场 and tried to push that into the cinema 1145 01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:16,364 不过我们所看到的是这些产品都差很远 and what we saw was that it’s not any close to good enough 1146 01:02:16,500 --> 01:02:20,869 我们想定一个很高的目标，那样才有意义 we want to set a high enough target so that was meaningful 1147 01:02:21,655 --> 01:02:23,234 这就是RED的本质 that’s the nature of RED 1148 01:02:23,235 --> 01:02:26,856 我们想把胶片送进养老院 we want to help to send the film to the retirement home 1149 01:02:26,857 --> 01:02:30,386 并用更好的来取代它 and have a few good about what took it place 1150 01:02:31,247 --> 01:02:36,030 2007年，RED 1面世 in 2007, the RED 1 was available to the public 1151 01:02:38,102 --> 01:02:43,211 在这个时代里，数位摄像机可以拍摄比HD更高的像素 this new generation, digital cameras could now shoot more resolution than HD 1152 01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:47,762 把像素数目从2K提高到4K and increased pixels from 2k to 4k 1153 01:02:49,223 --> 01:02:53,915 当我看到RED的时候我想我真该给胶片打个电话：来认识下某人 when I saw the RED I really thought I should call the film on the phone and said: met someone 1154 01:02:54,100 --> 01:02:57,954 因为我认为这就是未来 cause I really thought this is the future 1155 01:02:57,955 --> 01:03:00,955 {\a6}切格瓦拉，2008 1156 01:02:59,215 --> 01:03:03,069 无论分辨率、场景弧度还是看起来的感觉 the resolution, the curve, the way it saw like 1157 01:03:03,070 --> 01:03:05,159 都是全新的 I just felt this is a new thing 1158 01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:09,803 所以我坚持要用它来拍摄《切格瓦拉》 and I was insisted that we shoot CHE on it 1159 01:03:11,859 --> 01:03:16,689 数字技术在一开始很烂地球人都知道 digital at the beginning was really bad, everybody knew that 1160 01:03:16,689 --> 01:03:19,689 {\a6}维尔莫斯 齐格蒙德，摄影 （猎鹿人/激流四勇士/花村） 1161 01:03:16,700 --> 01:03:23,219 这部比以前的要好 that kind of that camera which was better than previous ones 1162 01:03:23,300 --> 01:03:27,538 至少便宜，但是还是不够好 at least it was cheaper, ok, but it’s not good enough 1163 01:03:27,943 --> 01:03:32,077 因为总是有经验不足的问题 actually there is a experience limitation of that 1164 01:03:33,072 --> 01:03:37,577 它的确存在问题，它打压了小厂竞争，它是台电脑 (?)it has problems, it crushed occasion of the mob, it’s a computer 1165 01:03:37,578 --> 01:03:42,161 但是RED不顾胶片摄像机的尸体曾经怎样 but then again RED ignored everything about normal film camera bodies 1166 01:03:42,162 --> 01:03:44,345 转而使用自己觉得正确的东西 and use what they thought was right 1167 01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:47,925 最坏的情况也就是 even with the worst stories of being out 1168 01:03:47,925 --> 01:03:50,867 因为过热把所有东西上敷个冰袋 is that the heating had a ice pack on all that stuff 1169 01:03:50,700 --> 01:03:52,198 不过我不在乎 none of that bother me 1170 01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:55,588 因为得到的实在特别 because the get was so significant 1171 01:03:55,667 --> 01:04:00,450 很多天内都不用在100多度的情况下 in this case, not having to log film magazines up and down 1172 01:04:00,451 --> 01:04:03,515 用手把胶卷盒拿进拿出 this for days on hand in hundred degree 1173 01:04:03,516 --> 01:04:06,533 是不是能用闪存拍摄不重要 whether they are able to shoot on flash card 1174 01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:09,181 换存储盒只要50秒 change magazines in 50 seconds 1175 01:04:09,220 --> 01:04:11,874 这就已经是不错的冷却了 that alone was huge frost 1176 01:04:11,878 --> 01:04:14,242 也能让拍出的画面更好 it resulted in a better movie 1177 01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:11,874 {\a6}*RED 1采用磁盘阵列或CF卡存储，相对胶卷和录像带拍摄时间大大延长* 1178 01:04:17,228 --> 01:04:21,175 我很喜欢吉姆詹那德这次的设计，我喜欢他们公司的理念 I really love the Jim Jannard’s doing, I love what their company’s about 1179 01:04:21,176 --> 01:04:25,308 我喜欢他们使用的技术，这不仅仅是 and I love the tech they took, that’s very much no holds barred like 1180 01:04:25,309 --> 01:04:29,906 “撸袖子大干一场爆眼球的什么东西”这样 let’s roll up our sleeves let’s get it in and up to our eyeballs, let’s figure this shit out 1181 01:04:29,700 --> 01:04:32,700 {\a6}社交网络，2010 1182 01:04:30,911 --> 01:04:35,217 RED 1有9磅，加镜头14磅 RED 1 is 9 pounds when put up lens on it is 14 pounds 1183 01:04:35,220 --> 01:04:40,279 拍《社交网络》的时候很多时候要拍那些小船 on Social Network I went too many seconds I got to shoot these tiny boats 1184 01:04:40,300 --> 01:04:42,369 我觉得它们轻的就像薯片一样 and I think it’s like potato chips 1185 01:04:42,370 --> 01:04:48,824 所以我不能把30磅重的设备放到船顶的帆上 and I can’t add 30 pounds a camera out on this side sail top on this boat 1186 01:04:48,825 --> 01:04:50,774 然后他说：“好吧，你要我怎么做” he said “ Ok what you want me to do” 1187 01:04:50,775 --> 01:04:53,748 我说：“你自己拿着，或者和别人搭伙 I said “you got to take one, you got to board out you got 1188 01:04:53,749 --> 01:04:55,746 不管怎样你要想出办法 whatever you got to do you have to figure out the way 1189 01:04:55,747 --> 01:04:58,625 给我个印第赛车版的RED 1” you got to give me the indycar version of the RED 1” 1190 01:04:55,747 --> 01:04:58,625 {\a6}*印第赛车是美国的方程式赛车，相对重量较轻* 1191 01:04:59,156 --> 01:05:01,432 这是在周五 this was on Friday 1192 01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:04,275 周日他就打电话给我说： on Sunday, he called me and said: 1193 01:05:04,276 --> 01:05:08,780 “我用碳纤做了个机身，你什么时候来拿，就在我桌上” “I made one of body in carbon fibers, when you can have about it, it’s on my desk” 1194 01:05:09,379 --> 01:05:13,327 然后用上的时候，这东西只有5磅半 and went down, and pick up to it and they were 5 and a half pounds 1195 01:05:13,575 --> 01:05:16,176 这在电影业中从未出现过 that never existed before for film cameras 1196 01:05:16,177 --> 01:05:19,845 这么快的回应 this sort of immediate calling responds 1197 01:05:20,175 --> 01:05:24,216 在电影制作人和摄像机制作人之间 between the people who are shooting and the people who are creating the cameras 1198 01:05:24,216 --> 01:05:27,216 {\a6}贫民窟的百万富翁，2008 1199 01:05:26,624 --> 01:05:29,782 我迫切的想要制作点充满新鲜空气的东西 I was desperate to make something that had all the fresh air in 1200 01:05:29,783 --> 01:05:32,615 尤其是你去印度孟买的时候 and cause when you go to India in Bombay especially 1201 01:05:32,616 --> 01:05:37,200 鲜活的生命气息扑面而来，对你狂叫着 it’s got life, it’s just coming screaming on you all the time in everywhere 1202 01:05:37,201 --> 01:05:41,280 丹尼激动的产生了一个想法，我们应该在剧本中 Danny come to an idea, rage, come to an idea of speed energy use 1203 01:05:41,281 --> 01:05:44,630 用到速度和活力的元素 and that’s what we need on the script 1204 01:05:44,631 --> 01:05:47,430 跑，对，这就是我们要在印度用的 and then running, that’s it, that’s we use in India 1205 01:05:47,431 --> 01:05:50,313 那真是世界上最神奇的地方 it’s just the most wonderful place of the world 1206 01:05:50,314 --> 01:05:55,283 我们想要制作一部与众不同的电影，如果摄像机能实现那一点的话 for a different kind film we wanted the camera would trying somehow catch a bit of that 1207 01:05:55,284 --> 01:05:58,998 就是要找一部摄像机，任务明确了 it’s about finding camera, the task is there, it’s clear 1208 01:05:58,999 --> 01:06:05,453 我要做的就是用我狂妄自大又符合正统的经验去找到一件工具 my job is to find, with all my anarchic and conventional experience there, to find a tool 1209 01:06:05,453 --> 01:06:08,453 {\a6}设备：矽映 SI-2K，2007 1210 01:06:05,842 --> 01:06:09,232 像矽映SI-2K这样的摄像机 cameras like Silicon Imaging SI-2K 1211 01:06:09,233 --> 01:06:12,204 可以到达对于胶片摄像机和早期 have been able to go places and get shots that 1212 01:06:12,205 --> 01:06:17,127 高清摄像机非常难以到达的地点进行拍摄 would have been very difficult with film or earlier versions of HD cameras 1213 01:06:17,128 --> 01:06:20,730 这里有个电脑传感器在后面 it’s a sensor of computer back on it 1214 01:06:20,740 --> 01:06:23,294 你想要把摄像机做的看起来像电脑一样吗 so do you make a computer look like a film camera? 1215 01:06:23,666 --> 01:06:29,006 或者你会把摄像机线拔掉，和笔记本连接在一起？ or do you say: “the hell of that, take this and ease that cable and connected into a laptop” 1216 01:06:29,007 --> 01:06:31,387 这就是SI摄像机的本事 and that will be the SI camera was 1217 01:06:31,388 --> 01:06:34,348 单凭这点世界上还没有如此之小的摄像机能够做到 at that point no one camera in the world is small enough 1218 01:06:34,348 --> 01:06:37,348 {\a6}阿里 普莱斯勒，矽映总裁 1219 01:06:34,349 --> 01:06:39,642 安东尼想要在大街上追着孩子们跑 Anthony wanted to run into the streets and track the children as they were running 1220 01:06:39,643 --> 01:06:43,032 还得是和小孩一样的高度 and be as the same height level as the kids 1221 01:06:43,033 --> 01:06:48,101 所以他们把笔记本带上装包里 so they took macbook pros and put them into a bag pack 1222 01:06:48,300 --> 01:06:52,022 用作捕获和记录的系统 to use for their capture and recording system 1223 01:06:53,184 --> 01:06:58,849 胶片摄像机，就算从稳固架或起重机上卸下来 film cameras, even when off the legs or off the steadicam or off the crane 1224 01:06:58,850 --> 01:07:00,893 还是要和摄影者的身体连接在一起 still connected on the camera man’s body 1225 01:07:00,894 --> 01:07:03,633 他或者就这么追着你跑 he’s either chasing you down the street 1226 01:07:03,634 --> 01:07:07,162 或者把东西架在这然后转身带着那一大堆东西回来 or he’s got it here, or he turns round and runs back with things like that 1227 01:07:07,163 --> 01:07:09,484 不过用SI-2K就动能做到 with this SI-2K you can do that 1228 01:07:11,849 --> 01:07:13,985 因为它不再连着摄影者的身体了 it’s no longer connected to the camera man’s body 1229 01:07:13,986 --> 01:07:15,563 你能做好多其他的事 you can do different things with that 1230 01:07:15,564 --> 01:07:19,500 在片场可以真正做到“自由发挥” during the scene it’s just literally improvising 1231 01:07:26,364 --> 01:07:32,819 2009年，《平民窟的百万富翁》获得了最佳摄影学院奖 in 2009, slum dog millionaire won the academic award for best cinematography 1232 01:07:33,308 --> 01:07:39,075 这是该奖项第一次颁发给几乎全程使用数字拍摄的电影 it was the first time that award was giving to a movie shot almost entirely on digital camera 1233 01:07:39,342 --> 01:07:41,106 所以既然您获得了学院奖 so you had the academic award 1234 01:07:41,107 --> 01:07:47,562 您觉得数字拍摄是否已经被主流接受了呢 so do you feel like that the film make digital be accepted by the main stream now? 1235 01:07:47,563 --> 01:07:51,185 《贫民窟》在评论界和观众当中的成功 the success of the slum dog with critics and audience 1236 01:07:51,190 --> 01:07:55,044 代表了一个时代的某些特点 symbolizes something of an époque 1237 01:07:55,045 --> 01:08:00,271 也算是为数字拍摄打定了基础 it perhaps puts hammers and stakes a little bit in the ground 1238 01:08:00,272 --> 01:08:03,682 这样看来数字格式已经被接受了 this far was acceptance of digital format 1239 01:08:03,683 --> 01:08:06,659 这是第一个对大规模使用数字技术的奖项 it was the first really acknowledgement on the large scale of digital 1240 01:08:06,918 --> 01:08:09,286 为此我非常为安东尼高兴 I was very pleased for Anthony for that 1241 01:08:09,287 --> 01:08:13,559 因为我以为他会觉得他永远也不能拿到这个奖 because I think he felt it was some acknowledgement he would never arrive at 1242 01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:16,902 因为他是如此特立独行于数码世界 because he’s chosen to specialized too much in the digital world 1243 01:08:16,903 --> 01:08:20,210 不过现在他的成就改变了所有人的看法 I think that was where he goes and everybody changed 1244 01:08:20,211 --> 01:08:23,211 {\a6}公众之敌，2009 设备：SONY F23 1245 01:08:23,212 --> 01:08:26,212 {\a6}第9区，2009 设备：SONY F23 1246 01:08:26,213 --> 01:08:29,213 {\a6}泰特罗，2009 设备：SONY F23 1247 01:08:29,214 --> 01:08:32,214 {\a6}告密者，2009 设备：RED 1 1248 01:08:32,215 --> 01:08:35,215 {\a6}阿凡达，2009 设备：SONY F950 1249 01:08:35,108 --> 01:08:37,430 《阿凡达》本来是我在《泰坦尼克号》之后的下一部电影 avatar was gonna be my next movie after titanic 1250 01:08:37,431 --> 01:08:40,310 所以在99年的时候我想把它拍成3D的 so I converted to think about it shoot in 3D in ‘99 1251 01:08:40,853 --> 01:08:46,101 我立刻就想到能在未来拍摄3D的唯一方法就是数字拍摄 I knew immediately that the only way to shoot 3D, the future of shooting 3D is digital 1252 01:08:46,682 --> 01:08:50,351 我们做了个实验，我们把2部高清摄影机并排放在一块 we’re starting to an experiment, we took 2 HD cameras side by side 1253 01:08:50,766 --> 01:08:52,716 我觉得结果还是相当酷的 I thought the result was pretty cool 1254 01:08:53,538 --> 01:08:56,610 接着我就和佩斯合作建立起了自己的摄像系统 then with Pace I built the vision camera system 1255 01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:04,690 一台摄像机放在这，另一台放到顶端 we’ve decided to put one camera here and another camera on top 1256 01:09:05,104 --> 01:09:08,819 那应该怎么整合这两个呢 so what happened in here to marry this two 1257 01:09:08,820 --> 01:09:12,130 因为从观测上说是需要两个画面的对吧？ cause there scopicly you need two images exist right? 1258 01:09:12,131 --> 01:09:13,125 没错 correct 1259 01:09:13,496 --> 01:09:16,692 我们有一个问题就是在摄像机较大的时候 one of the problems we have was the larger camera is a fact 1260 01:09:16,693 --> 01:09:19,943 我们不能像我们两眼位置一样把他们并排放置 that we wouldn’t put them side by side like your 2 eyeballs, right 1261 01:09:18,178 --> 01:09:21,178 {\a6}文森 佩斯，卡佩3D技术CEO 1262 01:09:19,944 --> 01:09:23,240 你不能在现实世界把两架摄影机这么放 you couldn’t put those cameras physically in that position 1263 01:09:23,241 --> 01:09:25,230 他们会撞到的 they will run in to each other 1264 01:09:25,231 --> 01:09:28,302 所以我们利用镜面反射 so we use reflect of a mirror 1265 01:09:28,997 --> 01:09:33,362 这样在你的脑海里 and then that allows us to overlaid the 2 camera systems 1266 01:09:33,363 --> 01:09:35,637 两架摄影机的实际位置可以重叠 of your imagine form a physical stand point 1267 01:09:35,638 --> 01:09:39,600 而这样就不再有两眼间距离的限制 where there is no limitation how close we get these eyes together 1268 01:09:39,601 --> 01:09:42,697 而这一点对3D来说是非常重要的 and that’s really important to 3D 1269 01:09:43,535 --> 01:09:45,299 要制作3D效果 to create 3D 1270 01:09:45,300 --> 01:09:49,247 两架摄影机要像两只眼睛一样 2 cameras works a pair just like our 2 eyes 1271 01:09:49,248 --> 01:09:52,590 从稍微不同的角度获取画面 they capture pictures from slightly different angle 1272 01:09:52,591 --> 01:09:56,259 从而制造三维空间的深度和广度 providing the sense in 3 dimensional depth and distance 1273 01:09:56,260 --> 01:09:58,720 我有个圈内笑话 I have a joke of most people all around me 1274 01:09:58,721 --> 01:10:00,510 我属于平面世界 I long for when the world was flat 1275 01:10:00,511 --> 01:10:03,800 因为不止适应系统要互相复制 because it’s not only the cameras system duplicated 1276 01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:06,600 制作流程上的每件事都要相互复制 everything duplicates down the chain, right 1277 01:10:06,601 --> 01:10:09,108 一个镜头控制另一个镜头 so lensing control over lensing 1278 01:10:09,608 --> 01:10:13,060 很多人说这要加倍的难搞，实际上不对 and a lot people said that’s as twice as hard than that’s incorrect statement 1279 01:10:13,061 --> 01:10:14,330 不止是这样 that’s more than that 1280 01:10:14,331 --> 01:10:17,642 因为两架摄影机要像完全分不出来的双胞胎那样工作 because these 2 cameras have to operate like sign-missed twins 1281 01:10:17,643 --> 01:10:20,010 他们必须完美的复制对方 they have to mimic each other perfectly 1282 01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:25,715 如果电影制作完成一切正常的话 I think when films are done right and when it really works is when 1283 01:10:25,716 --> 01:10:29,500 你会觉得身临其境，自己就在那个旅程之中，完全沉浸于故事里 you feels I’m there, I’m in this journey and immerged the story line 1284 01:10:29,501 --> 01:10:34,321 对我来说最有趣的地方在于把这个工具交给真正的创造之手 the fun part for me is to really get this tools in the creative hands 1285 01:10:34,322 --> 01:10:38,269 这样就有人带你去你从未想象过的地方了 so people can really take you to place that you never imagine before 1286 01:10:39,403 --> 01:10:43,583 《阿凡达》出来的时候我真的很骄傲于它的画面，太棒了 Avatar came out and I was really proud of those images, look gorgeous 1287 01:10:44,484 --> 01:10:48,756 紧接着《爱丽丝梦游仙境》和《驯龙高手》也上映了 and it was followed up by Alice to wonderland and how to train your dragon 1288 01:10:48,990 --> 01:10:53,726 邦邦邦，市场上接二连三出现了3部3D电影 boo boo boo, 3 movies on the markets one after another and all of them were (?) 1289 01:10:53,834 --> 01:10:56,156 而且都是年度票房大户 the 3 of them were the top grossing films of the year 1290 01:10:56,157 --> 01:11:01,266 所以突然间大门敞开了 so all of a sudden the door just blow wide open on the whole thing 1291 01:11:01,267 --> 01:11:05,260 人们看到了这里的市场前景 people really saw the potential of this as a market 1292 01:11:05,261 --> 01:11:08,923 电影消费提升了观众 this consumptions of films has increased our audiences 1293 01:11:08,924 --> 01:11:11,857 的观影品味和理解能力 both appetite for them and now knowledge of them 1294 01:11:11,858 --> 01:11:14,644 所以想要制作惊人之作越来越难了 so therefore it’s getting harder and harder to impress 1295 01:11:15,206 --> 01:11:17,621 这就是3D为什么这么流行的原因之一 it’s one of the reasons why 3D’s taking off 1296 01:11:17,622 --> 01:11:20,407 换个口味看电影而已 just a way looking at a film 1297 01:11:20,408 --> 01:11:24,679 演员如同一尊雕塑，就是会走会动呼之欲出 the actor is like a sculpture or something only it’s moving and comes out 1298 01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:28,582 就像从剧院到电影，从无声到有声之类的一样 and like a combination when theater went film, music and everything 1299 01:11:29,628 --> 01:11:33,482 我恨3D，我带上了眼镜会觉得反胃 I hate 3D, I put on those glasses and I get sick in my stomach 1300 01:11:33,483 --> 01:11:35,665 黑的什么也看不清 it’s too dark looking through them 1301 01:11:35,666 --> 01:11:39,937 整个的3D现象实际上就是他妈的市场炒作难道不是吗？ the whole 3D phenomenon is a marketing fucking scheme isn’t it? 1302 01:11:39,940 --> 01:11:41,532 作为一个旁观者我可以肯定的说 I can safely say as a viewer 1303 01:11:41,533 --> 01:11:43,483 我完全不感兴趣 I’m totally uninterested in it 1304 01:11:43,484 --> 01:11:45,990 丁点兴趣也没有 I’m without any interests whatsoever 1305 01:11:45,991 --> 01:11:47,244 我觉得这就是一时火爆 I think it’s a fad 1306 01:11:47,245 --> 01:11:48,777 早晚烧个精光 I think it will burn out 1307 01:11:48,778 --> 01:11:52,167 电影工作室把什么都做成3D是不明智的 the studio’s not wise to slap 3D on everything 1308 01:11:52,893 --> 01:11:56,423 《阿凡达》之所以做成3D是有原因的 with Avatar there is a reason this movie is in 3D 1309 01:11:57,033 --> 01:11:59,450 它要给你一种体验 because it’s taking you on an experience 1310 01:11:59,451 --> 01:12:05,350 不是为了赚钱、哗众取宠或者玩把戏 it isn’t something that was on for money or a joke or a gimmick 1311 01:12:06,158 --> 01:12:09,780 因为它是被创作成那个样子的 it’s there because it was created that way 1312 01:12:10,973 --> 01:12:13,992 《阿凡达》结合了两种完全不同的电影制作方式 Avatar is 2 completed different forms of film making combine 1313 01:12:13,993 --> 01:12:16,314 我们只实际拍摄了1/3的内容 we only use lenses for about 1/3 of the movement 1314 01:12:16,315 --> 01:12:19,240 都是普通的东西 it all sets in just normal stuff 1315 01:12:19,241 --> 01:12:21,128 灯光，布景，拍5场 (?)lighting, mural, 5 action 1316 01:12:21,453 --> 01:12:24,332 其余的2/3是特效 it was virtual FX to the other 2/3 1317 01:12:25,882 --> 01:12:28,434 我们从来没去真的丛林，我们创造了一个丛林 we never shot a real jungle, we have create a jungle 1318 01:12:28,435 --> 01:12:29,736 都是建模 it’s all peer modeling 1319 01:12:29,737 --> 01:12:32,848 每个草叶每只蹦来蹦去的虫子 every blade of grass, every bug bouncing around 1320 01:12:32,849 --> 01:12:37,074 没有一个是真实丛林的场景 not one foot film shot in a real jungle 1321 01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:43,897 数学建模能完美创造真实世界 you have this idea that you could hold a mathematically perfect model for creating reality 1322 01:12:43,898 --> 01:12:47,520 只要计算机和软件就好 you just threw on the computing power at it, you just put software on it 1323 01:12:47,589 --> 01:12:50,004 我们就是这么干的，我们要求 cause it’s all we found, we required 1324 01:12:50,005 --> 01:12:55,577 艺术家和摄影师研究光在物体上如何反射 artist and people who trained in photography looking at how light interact with those things 1325 01:12:55,578 --> 01:12:59,014 然后以此为基础写代码，创造一个看起来很逼真的世界 to figure out how to write the code, to make it look real 1326 01:12:59,378 --> 01:13:03,850 数字操控带给眼睛的幻觉 what I find was that the manipulations the digital made your eyes to do 1327 01:13:04,863 --> 01:13:08,020 的确很引人入胜但却很空洞 they are all seductive but alternately a little bit hollow 1328 01:13:08,021 --> 01:13:10,993 我常用的一个比喻是我想起有个夏天 the analogy I used t use was I remember the summer when 1329 01:13:10,994 --> 01:13:15,986 玉米油可以让巧克力饼干很软 chips oil give these chocolate cookies (?) soft 1330 01:13:15,987 --> 01:13:18,215 这很不错啊，让饼干变软 that’s amazing, just soft cookie and 1331 01:13:18,216 --> 01:13:19,955 不过几个月过后 and then after a couple of months 1332 01:13:19,956 --> 01:13:23,392 在上面的完全是一坨化学XX what’s on it is some horrible chemical crap 1333 01:13:23,393 --> 01:13:26,434 开始只是给了你美好的幻想 give you bad illusion it fooled you first 1334 01:13:26,435 --> 01:13:30,382 我所担心的是现在大规模使用CGI my concern is that the image alternately with CGI 1335 01:13:30,470 --> 01:13:35,068 我们的年轻人也许不会再相信电影荧幕上的任何东西了 I don’t know the younger generation is believing anything anymore on screen 1336 01:13:35,489 --> 01:13:37,254 都不是真实的 it’s not real 1337 01:13:37,255 --> 01:13:42,455 你呈现了一个感觉真实却完全不是真实的世界 you are presenting complete unreality and make them feel like it was real 1338 01:13:42,456 --> 01:13:45,473 甚至都先于拍摄任何真实场景… and before it was captured in reality… 1339 01:13:45,474 --> 01:13:49,792 好吧，你也进过不少片场吧 alright, you’ve been on a couple of movie sets 1340 01:13:50,440 --> 01:13:51,973 真实过吗 when was it ever real? 1341 01:13:51,974 --> 01:13:54,573 一堵墙，什么也没有 there was a kind of wall, there is nothing over there 1342 01:13:54,574 --> 01:13:56,240 30个人忙忙碌碌 there were 30 people stand around 1343 01:13:56,241 --> 01:13:59,961 一个拿着麦克风，一个在梯子上的人把屁股沟露出来了(= =) a guy with a boom mic, the other guy upon a ladder with his ass crack hanging out 1344 01:13:59,962 --> 01:14:06,399 还有个起重机，纽约的夜晚可能是伯班克的白天 there is a sit crane, your street night exterior New York was a day exterior Burbank 1345 01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:07,513 哪里真实了？ what was it ever real 1346 01:14:07,514 --> 01:14:10,514 {\a6}极速赛车手，2008 1347 01:14:09,806 --> 01:14:15,240 在老的拍摄技法中我们更为灵活 we are free of the old technology of capturing images 1348 01:14:15,241 --> 01:14:19,327 摄像机，胶片，镜头，曝光 camera, film, lens, exposure 1349 01:14:19,328 --> 01:14:23,878 我能掌控很多，有更多选择，更多点子 it give me more control, more choice, more wits 1350 01:14:23,879 --> 01:14:27,500 去达成脑中的想象 to access what you are imagining in your head 1351 01:14:28,500 --> 01:14:31,500 {\a6}哈利波特与混血王子，2009 特效分解 1352 01:14:29,869 --> 01:14:32,469 电脑技术只能越来越好 computers will only get better and better 1353 01:14:32,500 --> 01:14:36,463 你能够把任何东西创造的足够真实 will be able to produce anything you want completely realistic 1354 01:14:36,962 --> 01:14:42,860 而且换个想法，如果时间足够，你也可以融入到那个世界 and alternately, if you got enough time, the world is all yours there 1355 01:14:42,407 --> 01:14:45,407 {\a6}双塔奇兵，2003 1356 01:14:45,408 --> 01:14:47,666 {\a6}斯巴达三百勇士，2006 1357 01:14:47,667 --> 01:14:49,246 {\a6}加勒比海盗：世界尽头，2007 1358 01:14:49,247 --> 01:14:52,246 {\a6}守望者，2009 1359 01:14:49,247 --> 01:14:52,497 你要抓紧学习抓住自己的想象 you have to try to outpace study and seize your imagination 1360 01:14:52,798 --> 01:14:57,234 做出人们从没见过的东西，而这样的东西一年比一年更真实 do something they haven’t seen before and every year it getting more and more real 1361 01:14:57,235 --> 01:15:00,235 {\a6}诸神之怒，2010 特效分解 1362 01:14:59,208 --> 01:15:05,477 艺术家和电影制作者在不断提升画面的内涵、视觉效果和真实性 the artiest and the film maker are constantly trying to up the immanence spectacle and realism 1363 01:15:05,814 --> 01:15:09,504 所以现在的情况是从来没出现过的 so that really put this in a positions of like never before 1364 01:15:09,505 --> 01:15:12,801 同时拓宽了艺术和技术 really having to wide technology and art 1365 01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:18,461 数字技术真的很厉害 that was great about the digital technology 1366 01:15:18,462 --> 01:15:21,619 一两年内就可能再上一个新台阶 it should doubled in everything in one or two years 1367 01:15:23,078 --> 01:15:25,632 你想做什么只要想好 once you set your mind on that path 1368 01:15:25,633 --> 01:15:28,883 一切变的容易，不过是时间的问题 it all becomes very simple, it just be a matter of time 1369 01:15:28,884 --> 01:15:31,025 因为数字技术在不断进步 cause digital is gonna continue to improve 1370 01:15:31,336 --> 01:15:34,819 摄像机公司像RED，阿莱，索尼和其他的 camera companys like RED, ARRI, SONY and others 1371 01:15:34,820 --> 01:15:38,668 在不断改进自己的商品 are constantly developing new products continue to make advances 1372 01:15:38,669 --> 01:15:42,012 让它们在动态范围、分辨率和颜色上有更好表现 on dynamic range, resolution and color 1373 01:15:42,994 --> 01:15:45,800 我喜欢看这些厂商竞争 I love that all these manufactures are competing against each other 1374 01:15:45,801 --> 01:15:51,721 把大摄像机做的更小，更快，更便宜，传感更好 to make big cameras smaller, faster and cheaper, better sensored 1375 01:15:52,134 --> 01:15:54,270 最近数位摄像机的 with dynamic range of digital camera 1376 01:15:54,271 --> 01:15:57,839 动态范围卡在10档 up until recently have been limited to really match to 10 stop 1377 01:15:57,839 --> 01:16:00,839 {\a6}设备：RED EPIC 1378 01:15:59,333 --> 01:16:03,605 不过在EPIC或ALEXA上你不用担心这个问题 but you don’t see that problem in the EPIC or the ALEXA 1379 01:16:02,107 --> 01:16:05,107 {\a6}设备：阿莱 ALEXA 1380 01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:07,715 数位摄像机的动态范围已经比原来好多了 the dynamic range was much better when I was use to with digital 1381 01:16:08,184 --> 01:16:11,899 90年代中期的时候，阿莱生产的还全是化学照相摄像机 up untill the mid-90s, for ARRI, it was all photo chemical 1382 01:16:11,900 --> 01:16:14,900 {\a6}格伦 康奈，阿莱首席技师 1383 01:16:11,900 --> 01:16:15,285 当我觉得数字技术已经成熟 we solve the digital technology mature to a point that were 1384 01:16:15,286 --> 01:16:17,792 我们也开始发展自己的数字摄像机 we began and invite the digital technology 1385 01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:20,950 我们用在ALEXA上的传感器 the sensor that we used now on the ALEXA camara 1386 01:16:20,951 --> 01:16:23,951 {\a6}设备：阿莱 ALEXA，2010 1387 01:16:20,951 --> 01:16:25,981 让我们骄傲的说，其拍摄质量足以制作电影正片 allowed us to offer a camera that we can proudly promote as a feature film camera 1388 01:16:26,349 --> 01:16:29,135 ALEXA拥有所有令我们兴奋的元素 the ALEXA takes all of that we are excited about 1389 01:16:29,136 --> 01:16:33,501 在电影制作中可以带来胶片具有的质感 in film making and brings those textural qualities that film has 1390 01:16:33,502 --> 01:16:35,766 及熟悉的色彩表现 brings that definitely familiar color space 1391 01:16:35,767 --> 01:16:40,736 最近我才对ALEXA感兴趣，因为他是阿莱的新产品 and only recently I’m realy interested in ALEXA made by Arriflex not heard 1392 01:16:40,897 --> 01:16:44,845 而且和用胶片拍摄没什么不同 that it’s like shooting film with digital format 1393 01:16:44,846 --> 01:16:47,677 非要我使用数字拍摄的话 if I’m push to shoot on digital 1394 01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:52,094 我会用ALEXA，因为可以得到很好的效果 I will take the ALEXA and that could help me get good result 1395 01:16:49,215 --> 01:16:52,215 {\a6}雨果，2011 设备：阿莱ALEXA 1396 01:16:52,216 --> 01:16:55,216 {\a6}亡命驾驶，2011 设备：阿莱ALEXA 1397 01:16:55,217 --> 01:16:57,217 {\a6}忧郁症，2011 设备：阿莱ALEXA 1398 01:16:57,218 --> 01:16:59,218 {\a6}时间规划局，2011 设备：阿莱ALEXA 1399 01:16:59,630 --> 01:17:01,906 这是RED的新产品，我们叫它EPIC this is the new RED, we just call it EPIC, so 1400 01:17:01,907 --> 01:17:07,479 信不信由你，可是比RED 1提高了60%的像素 this is, believe it or not, 60% more resolution than the RED 1 1401 01:17:09,717 --> 01:17:11,899 吉姆詹那德给我看他的新产品EPIC when Jim Jannard showed me the EPIC 1402 01:17:11,900 --> 01:17:13,432 我看着它说：“等等， I looked at it and I said: “ wait a minute 1403 01:17:13,450 --> 01:17:15,104 “这个能干什么？ “what did that do? 1404 01:17:15,200 --> 01:17:18,715 “能怎么帮助你将故事？” “how could that free you as a story teller” 1405 01:17:18,716 --> 01:17:21,716 {\a6}龙纹身的女孩，2011 设备：RED EPIC 1406 01:17:23,226 --> 01:17:26,226 {\a6}超凡蜘蛛侠，2012 设备：RED EPIC 1407 01:17:23,226 --> 01:17:25,548 它能拍摄非常美丽、丰富、 this camera created those beautiful, rich, 1408 01:17:25,549 --> 01:17:29,449 自然或者说格调独特的颜色 very natural or very stylisticly wonderful colors 1409 01:17:26,837 --> 01:17:29,837 {\a6}霍比特人，2012 设备：RED EPIC 1410 01:17:31,093 --> 01:17:36,387 我们要用分辨率4K的放映机在超大屏幕上放映 we’ve taken a digitally projective 4k images on a gigantic screen 1411 01:17:36,556 --> 01:17:38,738 那效果一定震人心魄 and it is absolutely mind-blowing 1412 01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:44,086 影院的运输方式要改变了 the delivery system of cinema is going to change 1413 01:17:44,100 --> 01:17:51,795 这比摄影机本身更令我兴奋 and that’s actually more exciting a way for me beside the actual camera 1414 01:17:52,715 --> 01:17:55,780 因为那种老掉牙的一套： cause the ancient system of 1415 01:17:55,900 --> 01:18:00,496 送电影上卡车，到不同的城市，再卸货 film on a truck driving into a city and unloading it 1416 01:18:00,497 --> 01:18:01,936 要被取代了 that being replaced 1417 01:18:02,392 --> 01:18:08,197 运送巨大的胶卷铁盒子到处跑是相当费钱的 the old way of having ship giant film case around is very very expensive 1418 01:18:09,409 --> 01:18:15,540 所以人们意识到如果使用数字放映 so the business realized that there was a tremendous possible savings 1419 01:18:15,541 --> 01:18:18,936 可以省一大笔钱 in digital delivery and digital projection 1420 01:18:20,336 --> 01:18:24,701 我们都想要母片，底片的第一版 we are all want the pristine print, first print of all the negative 1421 01:18:24,702 --> 01:18:26,326 不过这不可能 but we cannot have that 1422 01:18:26,327 --> 01:18:27,534 你必须拷贝 so you have to copy it 1423 01:18:27,610 --> 01:18:30,820 但是用数字放映就没必要拷贝了 and the advance of DCP is not real copying 1424 01:18:30,830 --> 01:18:33,525 扫描完成后不需要复印 once it scanned, it doesn’t get copied again 1425 01:18:33,882 --> 01:18:36,436 更像是克隆，完全一样的东西 it’s cloned, so it’s exactly the same thing 1426 01:18:37,672 --> 01:18:40,041 我对数字放映机更有好感 I’m getting more impressed with digital projection 1427 01:18:40,042 --> 01:18:44,313 我不是技术帝 as much as…I’m not big on technology 1428 01:18:44,314 --> 01:18:47,007 但我觉得数字放映机的发展前景是极好的 I think digital projections will come a long way 1429 01:18:47,008 --> 01:18:53,787 过去的两年我们卖了10000台数字放映机到影院 in the last 2 years we’ve sold 10,000 digital projectors into cinemas 1430 01:18:54,398 --> 01:18:57,138 全球都在换 the conversion is taking place globally 1431 01:18:57,139 --> 01:19:00,807 现在我们已经完成了50% we were probably 50% or more there 1432 01:19:00,808 --> 01:19:03,825 剩下的很快就会完成 and the rest of the conversion will happen very quickly 1433 01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:05,811 既然令人惊叹的电影已经制作出来 they produce gorgeous pictures 1434 01:19:05,812 --> 01:19:08,310 那么我们就必须创造更好的表现方式 and you had to study building up a wave 1435 01:19:08,311 --> 01:19:12,777 所以我们要让数字屏幕在2015年达到200000块 that’s why we’re gonna up to 200,000 digital screens by 2015 1436 01:19:14,957 --> 01:19:20,948 传统的印片方式岌岌可危 the model for printing film is endangered 1437 01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:26,839 但我不希望最终胶片也是这样 and ultimately I hope that it doesn’t take film with it 1438 01:19:29,732 --> 01:19:32,091 小时候去看电影 as a kid, I went to the movies 1439 01:19:32,100 --> 01:19:35,249 坐下后看到红色的幕帘 you sat down and looked at a big red curtain 1440 01:19:35,250 --> 01:19:37,199 接着幕帘拉开 and then that curtain parted 1441 01:19:39,475 --> 01:19:42,587 电影就开始了 and there is the movie was going to begin right? 1442 01:19:42,588 --> 01:19:45,588 {\a6}巴瑞 莱文森，导演 （恐怖海湾/少年福尔摩斯/雨人） 1443 01:19:42,588 --> 01:19:45,791 然后你惊呼：“天啊，真带劲儿！” and you went “oh, my gosh! oh, this is special!” 1444 01:19:46,201 --> 01:19:48,848 这是我童年时代的印象 that’s my childhood image 1445 01:19:48,860 --> 01:19:50,520 如今这已经不是带劲儿的事了 it’s not special anymore 1446 01:19:50,530 --> 01:19:52,610 已经是别的了 it’s another thing 1447 01:19:52,611 --> 01:19:55,164 一个世纪以来电影院都跟教堂似的 in a way cinema was a church between a century 1448 01:19:55,165 --> 01:19:57,857 因为同样是很多人进到一个又大又黑的房间 because we come to this large dark room and sit 1449 01:19:57,858 --> 01:20:00,179 看着屏幕想这会是个什么故事 looked up and think what it would tell you 1450 01:20:00,180 --> 01:20:03,180 {\a6}卡萨布兰卡，1942 1451 01:20:00,300 --> 01:20:04,717 好多关于穿衣、行为、怎么讨好姑娘和怎么扮演英雄 enormous amount how to dress how to act be with woman how to act hero 1452 01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:11,250 那个时代的屏幕很不同 something is extraordinary about the scene 1453 01:20:11,251 --> 01:20:13,850 有40尺高 at that age is 40 feet high 1454 01:20:14,221 --> 01:20:15,707 那么大一块屏幕 and in 40 feet high, 1455 01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:19,179 相对日常生活很多事都变得神奇起来 something mythic about it is beyond your everyday life 1456 01:20:19,328 --> 01:20:23,647 跨度也很广，应该有80尺 it’s so much big huge span, it should be 80 feet wide 1457 01:20:23,648 --> 01:20:25,597 观众应该被屏幕包围 you should envelop the audience in the screen 1458 01:20:26,125 --> 01:20:28,494 因为那才是电影院- -对，那才是电影院 cause that’s cinema--yeah, that’s cinema 1459 01:20:28,510 --> 01:20:30,510 声音也每时每刻包围着你 and the sound around you every minute 1460 01:20:30,511 --> 01:20:34,086 我真是不明白为什么有人喜欢在电脑上看电影 I mean why people want to watch movies on their computers I should never know 1461 01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:40,644 我经常在地铁上看到有人用iPhone看电影，人后我就想… I see people watch movies on their iphone in subway all the time… 1462 01:20:41,552 --> 01:20:43,085 “不要啊！！” and I went “---no!!!” 1463 01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:47,065 有人说这不是好事，不过也不一定非有那么糟 who might say this is bad, it doesn’t have to be bad 1464 01:20:47,066 --> 01:20:50,176 晚上我妻子睡了，我睡不着 late at night, my wife sleeps and I can’t sleep 1465 01:20:50,177 --> 01:20:52,266 我就会拿起我的iPhone and I put my xx on my iphone 1466 01:20:52,267 --> 01:20:55,641 再带上副不错的耳机，把屏幕几乎贴脸的看电影 put up good headphone and watch films close to my face 1467 01:20:55,642 --> 01:20:57,452 这很有趣 and this sound interesting about that 1468 01:20:57,650 --> 01:21:00,292 一切都很私人 you‘ve got everything very privately 1469 01:21:00,293 --> 01:21:03,900 所以挺怀念想哭的却不想人看见的时候 I think it was missing I want to cry without people seeing it 1470 01:21:03,901 --> 01:21:06,880 我放《钢铁木兰花》的时候哭了 I want to cry without people seeing it, I’ll put the steel Magnolias 1471 01:21:06,881 --> 01:21:09,720 要是我妻子醒了，我只好暂停，再藏到枕头里 and I cry and if my wife wakes up I just get pause and put it under a pillow 1472 01:21:09,721 --> 01:21:11,113 这很有趣 and get something interesting about that 1473 01:21:11,114 --> 01:21:13,899 因为以前不可能有机会经历 because you didn’t have a chance to experience before 1474 01:21:13,900 --> 01:21:16,900 {\a6}莱娜 杜汉，演员/导演 （微型家具） 1475 01:21:13,900 --> 01:21:16,681 约会已经不会有人问“去看电影吧” You can ask on a date no body’s like “let’s get on the movies” any more 1476 01:21:16,682 --> 01:21:19,560 甚至现在已经是这样的 I don’t even felt that’s going on, I felt like 1477 01:21:19,561 --> 01:21:22,840 人们会说“我们在床上看看Netflix有什么吧” people like “let’s watch something on Netflix streaming on my bed” which 1478 01:21:19,561 --> 01:21:22,840 {\a6}*Netflix：相当于掌上影院* 1479 01:21:22,841 --> 01:21:25,500 然后一群24岁的年轻人就在床上等着 was 24 years old guys waiting to get you sit on their bed 1480 01:21:25,501 --> 01:21:27,550 不过这确实是正在发生的事情 but I think that’s what’s happening 1481 01:21:27,551 --> 01:21:31,452 我能看到正在上映的电影，能从平板电脑或其他的什么上看任何电影 I can get any on movie I can get any movie from pad or anything 1482 01:21:31,453 --> 01:21:34,285 对我来说再自然不过，坐下就看呗 That’s naturalest thing to me I can sit down and watching 1483 01:21:34,440 --> 01:21:37,750 不过会丢掉好多细节啊，那就没法感受电影的魅力了 but you will not see all the detail that you won’t be able to feel it 1484 01:21:37,751 --> 01:21:39,329 比如说就没法感受… like if you be able to feel… 1485 01:21:39,330 --> 01:21:41,371 我的高清电视大着呢 my big HDTV is 20 big 1486 01:21:41,372 --> 01:21:44,285 你是说和女孩子亲热这类的东西吗？ You mean go to see make up with girls like that 1487 01:21:44,286 --> 01:21:46,469 没兴趣，我早过了那个年龄了 But that, no, I’m way past that 1488 01:21:46,470 --> 01:21:47,398 真的吗？ Are you sure? 1489 01:21:47,399 --> 01:21:48,744 相信我啦 Believe me 1490 01:21:48,745 --> 01:21:51,299 看电影的方式越来越多 So many different way for watching movie 1491 01:21:51,300 --> 01:21:54,271 分享经历的方式 That sharing experience aspect to it 1492 01:21:54,761 --> 01:21:58,894 正在改变看去影院看电影的习惯 That shifting, going to the movies 1493 01:21:58,952 --> 01:22:02,516 也很大程度上变得虚拟了 Well it’s also becoming much larger virtually 1494 01:22:02,517 --> 01:22:05,813 可视世界已经大大像虚拟化延伸了 Mural space was definitely spanned virtually 1495 01:22:05,814 --> 01:22:10,782 大家在虚拟世界里分享电影 So they’re watching movies together in this sort of virtual worlds 1496 01:22:10,790 --> 01:22:13,267 几乎是不可避免的 And that will be inevitable 1497 01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:17,786 费洛蒙也要虚拟交换么？ You had to get the Pheromone to exchange virtually 1498 01:22:17,787 --> 01:22:24,706 （啥？）怎么流血怎么流汗，不接触怎么爽啊 (Yeah?) how do you bleed and sweat and be comfortable without getting together 1499 01:22:24,707 --> 01:22:26,563 你在影院做那些吗？穿着拉风风衣？ You do that in the theater? In your trench coat 1500 01:22:26,564 --> 01:22:30,278 倒没有，不过可以一起笑一起哭啊 No but laughing together and crying together 1501 01:22:30,279 --> 01:22:35,062 有时候虚拟的经验反而更加奏效 Some way the virtual experience is more rewarding because 1502 01:22:35,063 --> 01:22:37,198 因为总有实际的对话框在 There is a actual dialog going on 1503 01:22:38,637 --> 01:22:40,820 这些20多岁的小年轻不在乎 So these 20-year-old does not care 1504 01:22:40,821 --> 01:22:45,185 不过在共享空间倒有很多影院呢 But there are lots of cinemas in the communal space 1505 01:22:45,186 --> 01:22:49,504 他们只谈论在脸书还是什么上又交了什么好友 There they just sit in and tell a story getting friends on Facebook or whatever it is 1506 01:22:49,505 --> 01:22:52,291 你得适应，你要适应不了也没事 You got to go with it, if you can’t be able to deal with it 1507 01:22:52,292 --> 01:22:55,542 因为你的时代已经过去了 that’s fine, because it means your time is finished 1508 01:22:55,543 --> 01:22:58,003 大家看开点吧 it’s time for all the people to take it on 1509 01:22:58,747 --> 01:23:01,022 30以下的小孩们 the kids, 30 and under 1510 01:23:01,023 --> 01:23:07,059 在电脑电视上看了无数的数字影像 have seen endless digital image on their computer, on their television 1511 01:23:07,379 --> 01:23:11,048 对于他们，那就是他们的电影 and that to them is their film 1512 01:23:11,309 --> 01:23:14,978 我曾经希望这些小型摄像机 I just had hoped that these little cameras 1513 01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:20,365 可以促成民间电影的一场革命 will make a revolution where you would say the folk films good 1514 01:23:20,366 --> 01:23:22,337 不过自己制作的话 Just do it ourselves 1515 01:23:22,338 --> 01:23:27,213 许多才华和人才都因为免费而得不到足够尊重 so a lot of talent and stuff could be free by less respect 1516 01:23:27,214 --> 01:23:29,117 全民都在解读电影 Everyone is interpreting 1517 01:23:29,387 --> 01:23:34,077 他们通过镜头和画面解读事实或者自以为的事实 Their reality or what they did their reality through an image, through a lens 1518 01:23:34,078 --> 01:23:39,000 不过有些孩子真的还挺擅长这个的 And some kids are really good at it, I’ll tell you 1519 01:23:39,001 --> 01:23:42,001 {\a6}微型家具，2010 设备：佳能 7D 1520 01:23:42,500 --> 01:23:46,455 我热爱DV文化，否则我也不会拍这部电影 I love digital video culture, or I won’t never making with this 1521 01:23:46,456 --> 01:23:49,600 因为我是作家出身，而我认为 Because I came out as a writer and I thought that as 1522 01:23:49,601 --> 01:23:51,426 电影制作人应该是有专业知识 you have certain kind of knowledg 1523 01:23:51,427 --> 01:23:53,191 然后可以自由操控 and basically my head keeps a thought like a dude 1524 01:23:53,192 --> 01:23:55,746 拍摄机器的那么一个人 who operational machine to do this job 1525 01:23:55,747 --> 01:23:58,903 我觉得真踏上那条路我会害怕的 I think I would be scared to step into that road 1526 01:23:58,904 --> 01:24:04,476 巨大的摄像机和15人的灯光团队 If it had to involve getting a huge camera and get a 15 lightening technicians together 1527 01:24:04,477 --> 01:24:11,565 我觉得用这样小而且私人的方式体验电影制作就可以了 I was able to experience making movies small private way which I need to do 1528 01:24:11,566 --> 01:24:14,352 佳能5D和尼康单反如何呢 What about the 5Ds, what about the DLSRs 1529 01:24:14,353 --> 01:24:18,021 这些相机是给记者设计的 These cameras are designed to the request of APM writers 1530 01:24:18,030 --> 01:24:25,102 摄影师可以拍摄新闻视频给网站 So there news photographers could shoot news video for their websites 1531 01:24:25,733 --> 01:24:27,173 仅此而已 That’s it 1532 01:24:27,815 --> 01:24:29,766 人们会觉得 then people came along went: 1533 01:24:29,767 --> 01:24:32,784 “哇，还不错，我也要用” “woo, I like the look of that, I’m gonna use that” 1534 01:24:33,300 --> 01:24:34,693 然后效果也不错 And it can work 1535 01:24:34,695 --> 01:24:37,157 不过拍电影可不行 -- 为什么？ but I hate it being used as movie cameras -- Why? 1536 01:24:37,158 --> 01:24:39,197 不够好 It’s not good enough 1537 01:24:39,658 --> 01:24:42,538 但是它们便宜，人人都能拍电影 But they ain’t expensive, people can make movies 1538 01:24:42,540 --> 01:24:46,206 如果我是艺校的学生，有台7D或5D If I’ve been in art school and I have a Canon 7D or 5D 1539 01:24:46,207 --> 01:24:48,203 那肯定很棒 It would be wonderful 1540 01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:52,136 你今晚用什么拍？ What are you shooting on tonight? 1541 01:24:52,137 --> 01:24:54,783 7D。天，7D耶 -7D. Oh my God, that’s 7D 1542 01:24:54,784 --> 01:24:56,826 是为了研二的作业 For my second year of grad film 1543 01:25:01,674 --> 01:25:08,152 我猜是因为易用，拍的不赖，而且不贵 I guess it’s accessible, give you a lot that you can capture, but it’s not super expensive 1544 01:25:08,153 --> 01:25:11,153 {\a6}舒提 甘古利，纽约大学研究生 1545 01:25:08,153 --> 01:25:13,586 我用7D或5D拍摄主要是预算原因 I want to shoot with the 7D or 5D primarily for budget reasons 1546 01:25:13,746 --> 01:25:19,623 还因为只有一周时间可用了 And because we are given a week in which we have to shoot our film 1547 01:25:19,624 --> 01:25:24,917 大部分时间都花在了选题、约场地 And in amount of time we were lose in terms like changing film checking the gate 1548 01:25:24,918 --> 01:25:30,546 所以时间不够用也是原因 And then I would probably not be able to film the soon I want to 1549 01:25:30,550 --> 01:25:36,781 想要讲自己的故事变得很便宜 It becomes the very cheap way for us to tell our stories about ourselves 1550 01:25:37,912 --> 01:25:41,846 它已经跳出了与环境抗争的艺术载体 It takes this art format out of where fighting environment 1551 01:25:41,847 --> 01:25:44,168 很多人都加入了艺术创作的行列 and a lot more people to make art 1552 01:25:45,580 --> 01:25:51,153 人人都有纸和笔 Everybody and his little brother has a piece of paper and pencil 1553 01:25:51,521 --> 01:25:54,600 但伟大的故事又 But how many great stories had been written 1554 01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:56,630 在这纸上写出多少呢 on that piece of paper 1555 01:25:57,310 --> 01:26:01,211 现在同样的事要发生在电影身上了 Now the same thing is gonna happen in cinema 1556 01:26:01,212 --> 01:26:07,563 几个电影人聚在一起 There used to be in conference when film making guys 1557 01:26:08,018 --> 01:26:10,201 坐在咖啡店闲谈 people sat in coffee shop and saying 1558 01:26:10,202 --> 01:26:13,544 说如果有机会，自己会制作多么伟大的电影 What great film they would make if the man would ever give me a chance 1559 01:26:13,545 --> 01:26:18,223 现在好了，人人有机会，放手去做就行 It was kind of great when the day came that it was we go do it 1560 01:26:19,149 --> 01:26:23,329 现在每个人都能做电影，电影遍地开花，这不错 Everybody can make a movie now, movies are everywhere, that’s a good thing 1561 01:26:23,787 --> 01:26:26,945 我不这么认为，其实好处少 I don’t think so actually, there’s less good 1562 01:26:26,946 --> 01:26:28,152 坏处多 There’s more bad 1563 01:26:28,153 --> 01:26:31,125 因为每个人都想做什么做什么 because everybody is able to do whatever they want to do 1564 01:26:31,126 --> 01:26:34,375 真是民主，真是不错 That’s democratization out there, that’s fantastic 1565 01:26:34,376 --> 01:26:36,090 但是我们的下一代会吃苦头的 But I think my kids will suffer 1566 01:26:36,091 --> 01:26:38,662 他们再不会享受到我们成长时期所拥有的品质了 they will not have the qualities we have been growing up 1567 01:26:38,663 --> 01:26:40,756 因为不会再有人… Cause there isn’t somebody there… 1568 01:26:40,780 --> 01:26:43,073 不会再有人在乎品味了 There isn’t a taste make involved 1569 01:26:43,266 --> 01:26:44,189 天 Wow! 1570 01:26:48,236 --> 01:26:51,180 胶片已经完了么？您怎么看 Is this the end of film? What do you think? 1571 01:26:51,181 --> 01:26:56,247 我觉得，赛璐珞仍然是个选择 I think celluloid is still gonna be a choice 1572 01:26:56,248 --> 01:26:57,248 {\a6}大艺术家，2011，胶片摄制 1573 01:26:57,249 --> 01:26:58,249 {\a6}点球成金，2011，胶片摄制 1574 01:26:58,250 --> 01:27:01,249 {\a6}碟中谍：幽灵协议，2011，胶片摄制 1575 01:27:01,250 --> 01:27:04,249 {\a6}生命之树，2011，胶片摄制 1576 01:27:04,250 --> 01:27:07,249 {\a6}战马，2011，胶片摄制 1577 01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:09,990 {\a6}饥饿游戏，2012，胶片摄制 1578 01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:13,000 {\a6}黑暗骑士崛起，2012，胶片摄制 1579 01:27:13,612 --> 01:27:17,420 转变只因为有一个新的选择 a transition starts with people offering a new choice 1580 01:27:17,421 --> 01:27:20,578 不过是否意味着旧的选择即将被取代 But if it finished it will take the old choice away 1581 01:27:20,579 --> 01:27:23,968 我不认为现在的技术已经准备好了 I don’t think techniques are ready to do that yet 1582 01:27:23,969 --> 01:27:28,008 我们有100多年纯粹用胶片拍摄的历史 we have hundred years of experience basically shooting on film 1583 01:27:28,851 --> 01:27:31,126 而现在胶片也还在使用 And film it still around 1584 01:27:31,560 --> 01:27:34,432 不管乔治卢卡斯说什么“胶片已死” No matter what George Lucas said that “film is dead” 1585 01:27:34,433 --> 01:27:36,700 他其实20年前就这么说了 he said that 20 years ago 1586 01:27:36,934 --> 01:27:41,021 但是胶片没有死，人们还是喜欢用胶片 But film is not dead because people like to shooting on film 1587 01:27:41,022 --> 01:27:45,015 因为胶片真的可以呈现难以置信的美 because it really has an incredibly beautiful look 1588 01:27:45,016 --> 01:27:46,393 谁在乎啊 Who cares 1589 01:27:46,394 --> 01:27:49,783 20年内他们就不会再说胶片怎样怎样 In 20 years from now they wouldn’t be saying what looks like film 1590 01:27:49,784 --> 01:27:51,965 转而说“看看我的数位摄像机能做什么吧” they would be saying “look what I can do with my digital” 1591 01:27:51,966 --> 01:27:54,380 我会是最后还在使用胶片摄像的人 I will be the one last guy shooting film 1592 01:27:54,381 --> 01:27:57,167 因为没人剩下了 Cause no one else would be left shooting film 1593 01:27:57,168 --> 01:28:01,950 而且我确定在10年间我也会开始使用数字技术 But I certain will be use digital technology within the next 10 years 1594 01:28:01,951 --> 01:28:05,005 我希望，要是5到10年内胶片还存在的话 I hope, if in another 5 or 10 years film still exists 1595 01:28:05,006 --> 01:28:07,327 我还是打算继续用胶片拍 I still plan to shoot on film 1596 01:28:07,328 --> 01:28:09,637 胶片是不是完了？ Is it the end of film? 1597 01:28:11,228 --> 01:28:13,271 对，我猜它是完了 Yeah, I guess it is 1598 01:28:13,272 --> 01:28:16,522 而且我认为5年之内，胶片就会 And I think in 5 years, film will be 1599 01:28:16,908 --> 01:28:20,066 胶片就几乎不会存在了 film will be exception, I really do 1600 01:28:22,010 --> 01:28:25,493 胶片设备销售在2007年达到了顶峰 Film production peaked in 2007 1601 01:28:25,494 --> 01:28:28,494 {\a6}比尔 罗素，阿莱摄像部副总裁 1602 01:28:25,494 --> 01:28:31,158 我们在那时已经是10%过盛生产胶片摄像机了 Our factory at that time was working 110% to produce film cameras 1603 01:28:31,159 --> 01:28:32,134 然后呢 Then what happened? 1604 01:28:32,743 --> 01:28:34,508 然后世界变了 Then the world changed 1605 01:28:35,592 --> 01:28:38,286 所有的订单都变成数字的了 New purchases are all digital 1606 01:28:39,568 --> 01:28:42,261 胶片摄影机可以延续数十年 Film cameras can last for decades 1607 01:28:42,262 --> 01:28:45,233 仍能使用也仍被使用 They will be still available and in use 1608 01:28:45,234 --> 01:28:48,662 然而，主流厂商 However, our major manufactures 1609 01:28:48,663 --> 01:28:51,356 已经停止新胶片摄像机的发展 have seized the development of new film cameras 1610 01:28:50,386 --> 01:28:53,386 {\a6} “结束了，阿莱、潘纳维申的胶片摄像机” 1611 01:28:53,387 --> 01:28:56,387 {\a6}“电影摄像机公司已静静停止生产胶片摄像机” 1612 01:28:51,848 --> 01:28:53,984 他们不再生产胶片摄影机了 They no longer make them 1613 01:28:55,098 --> 01:28:57,095 我们不得不和赛璐珞说再见了 We will have to say goodbye to celluloid 1614 01:28:57,096 --> 01:28:59,170 胶片会消失 it will go away I’m afraid 1615 01:28:58,288 --> 01:29:01,288 {\a6}“胶片像影机，1888-2011” 1616 01:28:59,171 --> 01:29:00,897 因为某些特殊用途它们还是会存在 And they will be cared for special occasions 1617 01:29:01,020 --> 01:29:03,495 但是其它的都要变了 I think, but it’s gonna change 1618 01:29:03,496 --> 01:29:06,051 一旦这个选择消失了 once that option is gone 1619 01:29:06,052 --> 01:29:07,119 嗯 Right 1620 01:29:07,120 --> 01:29:10,183 一旦现在的年轻人不再有胶片电影的体验 Once young people don’t have the experience 1621 01:29:10,184 --> 01:29:14,316 我觉得我们正在经历这场全面变革 I think we are living through this total transformation 1622 01:29:14,317 --> 01:29:18,078 我觉得大概人们都会担心这会是没完没了的吵杂 I think in general people will fear it’s just endless noise 1623 01:29:18,079 --> 01:29:20,678 没人说的清什么是好的，什么是坏的 no one was able to tell what’s good or bad 1624 01:29:20,679 --> 01:29:23,279 没人能真正做出好东西 No one will be able to make good things 1625 01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:25,090 所有好的都会消失 And good things will just get lost 1626 01:29:25,100 --> 01:29:28,527 我觉得我们的文化继承岌岌可危 That in danger I think, the continuation of our culture 1627 01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:30,988 一切归于尘土 What will back to me need to back to the wild 1628 01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:31,563 嗯 Right 1629 01:29:31,564 --> 01:29:36,067 你从哪里获得文化、艺术和知识的给养呢 Where did you get the nourishment of culturally, artistically, intellectually 1630 01:29:36,068 --> 01:29:37,128 哪里呢 Where did you get it 1631 01:29:37,711 --> 01:29:42,123 电影制作的关键一步是存档 And an important step of movie making process is archival 1632 01:29:42,548 --> 01:29:47,471 把成片和其他材料储存起来 Storing the final complete movie and materials used to create it 1633 01:29:48,114 --> 01:29:51,039 没人把存档当回事 Nobody takes archival seriously 1634 01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:53,222 人们都把东西存在硬盘里 They’re all save it on hard drive 1635 01:29:53,223 --> 01:29:56,008 放了一年再拿出来 And if the hard drive on the shelf and a year later 1636 01:29:56,009 --> 01:29:58,645 放的时候可能就出现“哒哒哒”的声音 You load it, it just got “ter…ter…” 1637 01:29:58,648 --> 01:30:00,413 因为卡住了 Because they stick 1638 01:30:01,232 --> 01:30:03,647 它不会总是这样 You don’t find them all time they stick 1639 01:30:03,648 --> 01:30:05,644 不过要是你发现了 If You do find out all the time 1640 01:30:05,645 --> 01:30:09,359 那就是坏了，然后哒哒响 they wear out and go “ter…ter…” 1641 01:30:09,647 --> 01:30:13,966 1950年代起，在电视广告开始兴盛的时期 Since the early 1950s, since the advance of the commercial television 1642 01:30:14,616 --> 01:30:17,616 {\a6}迈克尔 五井，摄影，美国摄影师协会主席 1643 01:30:13,967 --> 01:30:17,402 有80多种视频格式 There had been 80 formats of video 1644 01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:20,000 现在这80多种视频格式 Today, these 80 formats of video 1645 01:30:21,950 --> 01:30:24,620 的大多数已经完全不能播放了 most cannot be played anymore 1646 01:30:24,621 --> 01:30:27,105 就因为播放器已经不存在了 Cause the machine simply don’t exist 1647 01:30:27,421 --> 01:30:32,205 拍电影的时候我们会把样片做2个数字备份 When we make a movie we have 2 digital copies of all of the dailys 1648 01:30:32,206 --> 01:30:34,680 你把这些拷贝装箱的时候 When you box those how to be stored 1649 01:30:34,681 --> 01:30:38,534 最好放个播放器在旁边 Yet put a reader in with that thing 1650 01:30:38,751 --> 01:30:45,996 我有8种80年代做的音乐短片和广告存档格式 I have archival 8 formats for music video and commercials I did n 1980s 1651 01:30:46,786 --> 01:30:50,404 已经没机器能播了 And there’s no machine that can play them 1652 01:30:50,405 --> 01:30:53,650 在数字世界你完全找不到 There are no archives or formats or anything 1653 01:30:53,651 --> 01:30:56,455 任何实体存档格式 in the digital world that you will put any stock in 1654 01:30:56,456 --> 01:30:59,334 所以数字格式的存档问题含待解决 so their archive issues are simply not being dealt with yet 1655 01:30:59,335 --> 01:31:01,702 对于电影 The only thing you can sure of the on film 1656 01:31:01,703 --> 01:31:03,931 或其他的动态影像来说 or anything of the moving image 1657 01:31:03,932 --> 01:31:06,393 你能保证存储个六七十年的 is gonna be around may by for 60 or 70 years from now 1658 01:31:06,394 --> 01:31:08,390 很有趣也很讽刺 Interestingly enough, ironically enough 1659 01:31:08,391 --> 01:31:09,551 只有赛璐珞 The celluloid 1660 01:31:15,498 --> 01:31:18,498 {\a6}盖瑞 因豪斯，柯达首席技术官 1661 01:31:15,498 --> 01:31:16,288 胶片是特别的 Film is unique 1662 01:31:16,289 --> 01:31:19,028 因为胶片同时是捕获和存储介质 Because film is a capture medium and an storage medium 1663 01:31:20,347 --> 01:31:22,322 所以你要回看的话 So if you really want to go back 1664 01:31:22,323 --> 01:31:24,510 只要保存得当 and if you can restore it in the right conditions 1665 01:31:25,271 --> 01:31:27,686 100年后只要有光 A hundred years later all you have to do is shining light through it 1666 01:31:27,687 --> 01:31:28,800 也还是可以看 And you are able to see it 1667 01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:31,540 不会有格式淘汰的问题 There were never be format obsolete 1668 01:31:31,564 --> 01:31:34,564 {\a6}爱德 斯塔拉德曼，动态影像助理馆长 乔治 伊斯特曼博物馆（世界最古老的摄影博物馆和影片藏馆） 1669 01:31:31,564 --> 01:31:33,653 1909年 There was a conference in 1909 1670 01:31:33,654 --> 01:31:37,322 胶片的规格和标准被整理确定 Where they put together the standard for film 1671 01:31:38,268 --> 01:31:40,683 102年未变 While it hasn’t changed for 102 years 1672 01:31:41,752 --> 01:31:43,841 我用氮气保存的胶片 I have a film in my nitrogen forms 1673 01:31:43,842 --> 01:31:46,628 现在仍能在放映机上放映 I can pull it out and run it on the projector today 1674 01:31:46,629 --> 01:31:49,315 尽管我知道这是1895年拍摄完成的 even know it was made in 1895 1675 01:31:50,549 --> 01:31:53,661 如果换个观点，想想存档 If the point, alternately the archiving is 1676 01:31:53,662 --> 01:31:57,469 可以是原始作品的完全复制 the faithful reproduction of the original product 1677 01:31:59,009 --> 01:32:02,771 那电影人现在有更好的机会 Film makers now have a better chance 1678 01:32:02,772 --> 01:32:06,500 让自己的作品可以 of something I may being showed properly 50 years from now 1679 01:32:06,501 --> 01:32:09,091 在50年后仍完美展现 that I ever have in history 1680 01:32:09,092 --> 01:32:12,853 可人们总说“我们可不知道50年后会发生什么 people keep saying “we don’t know what’s going to happen in 50 years, 1681 01:32:12,854 --> 01:32:15,128 “也许就没法播放了 “we don’t know how to read the information or 1682 01:32:15,129 --> 01:32:19,096 “也许就烂掉了，你必须转换它要不就没有了” “it’s going to decay, you have to migrated or it will die” 1683 01:32:19,097 --> 01:32:21,789 对，没错，得转换，不过还有一件事 yeah, sure, you will, and some of the those things are true 1684 01:32:21,790 --> 01:32:24,251 这样的解决方案总比胶片好 all of them are better scenario than film 1685 01:32:28,276 --> 01:32:30,737 几乎这世界上的所有东西 all of everything in this whole world 1686 01:32:30,900 --> 01:32:32,455 都在用数字存储 is stored digitally 1687 01:32:33,240 --> 01:32:34,081 是啊 yeah 1688 01:32:34,082 --> 01:32:37,424 对啊，问题就在这里 Yeah, there are problems with it 1689 01:32:38,075 --> 01:32:39,839 但是问题是可以被解决的 But they are gonna solve those problems 1690 01:32:39,840 --> 01:32:40,954 这点我保证 I’ll guarantee that 1691 01:32:41,648 --> 01:32:43,459 这么多的数字信息 There’s too much digital information out there 1692 01:32:43,460 --> 01:32:46,484 不可能没有更全面的存储解决办法 not to figure out a full proof way to storage forever 1693 01:32:46,749 --> 01:32:50,557 历史总是在进步 Archeology always improves 1694 01:32:50,558 --> 01:32:54,040 某些我们无法控制的变化 So as the way we lose things change 1695 01:32:54,041 --> 01:32:57,306 也许正是我们找到解决方案的契机 The way that we invent to find them changes 1696 01:32:57,307 --> 01:32:59,303 所以您并不担心这些消失的东西咯 So you are not worried about all these disappearing 1697 01:33:00,308 --> 01:33:02,445 如果某件事对人类真的是重要的 Is things are important for human beings 1698 01:33:02,446 --> 01:33:04,070 那就肯定会有保存的办法 we figure out a way to preserve them 1699 01:33:04,071 --> 01:33:05,556 这总是没错的 It’s always been truth 1700 01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:09,065 这是我们生活的一部分 Yes we do that part of life 1701 01:33:09,300 --> 01:33:14,304 有一天我们也许会在舞台上展示胶片印片 We might get to the stage where a print of a film 1702 01:33:14,306 --> 01:33:18,902 因为稀有而使它更像一件艺术品 Is so rare is almost like an art object 1703 01:33:19,148 --> 01:33:20,959 而我们可以说： And we can go back and say 1704 01:33:20,960 --> 01:33:25,232 “这是一份胶片的印片，全世界唯一一份” “this is actually a print of film and it’s the only one of the world.” 1705 01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:31,761 一两百年后这些都不会剩下任何踪迹 100, 200 years from now there won’t be a trace of this left 1706 01:33:32,333 --> 01:33:36,048 我们现在所制造的东西也都没有任何踪迹 And there won’t be trace of anything we make now 1707 01:33:39,375 --> 01:33:41,279 所以你身在何方？能把你怎样 So where are we? what fucked you? 1708 01:33:47,486 --> 01:33:49,994 我从不相信 I don’t believe in one second that 1709 01:33:49,995 --> 01:33:52,919 数字影片或数字技术 digital imaging or digital technology 1710 01:33:52,920 --> 01:33:56,580 会改变人类讲故事的方式 will ever take the way the humanity of story-telling 1711 01:33:56,810 --> 01:33:59,810 {\a6} 2001太空漫游，1968 1712 01:33:56,581 --> 01:33:58,585 因为这关于我们的本质 beause story-telling in it on ourselves 1713 01:33:58,586 --> 01:34:01,650 这是神圣的人类事物 it’s a holy human concern 1714 01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:06,400 艺术家比较淳朴，科学家也比较淳朴 artist primordial, science also quite primordial 1715 01:34:06,401 --> 01:34:10,450 这其实很和谐 so kind of all these things are very harmony things 1716 01:34:10,451 --> 01:34:12,586 他们总是在互相推进 They always had to push on one another 1717 01:34:13,480 --> 01:34:15,942 我们已经达到化学摄像技术的顶端 We are at the top of photo chemical process 1718 01:34:15,943 --> 01:34:17,660 也就能走这么远了 This is about far as we’re ever gonna go 1719 01:34:17,661 --> 01:34:20,400 但是用数字技术的话，我们就重新回归到初始了 When you are using digital, you are at the very bottom again 1720 01:34:20,890 --> 01:34:24,512 所以要跳出传统帮助创新 So you should jump over and help to build that 1721 01:34:24,860 --> 01:34:27,182 因为越多人使用才能使这项技术越好 Cause more people use it, the better it gets 1722 01:34:28,643 --> 01:34:31,522 除非你参与到这场变革中 Unless you are participate into the revolution 1723 01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:33,904 否则就会被落下 Or you will be lost in past 1724 01:34:34,599 --> 01:34:37,478 我们不能说“没我的事 We can’t call ourselves as “we don’t care 1725 01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:39,486 看你们了” They are up to your guys now” 1726 01:34:40,704 --> 01:34:42,887 我们要参与其中 So we have to be in it 1727 01:34:42,888 --> 01:34:47,985 每个人都能参与到这个过程中 Everyone will have access to both the means of the production 1728 01:34:47,986 --> 01:34:51,468 也能立刻了解到曾经发生的事 and watch everything ever exist instantly 1729 01:34:51,469 --> 01:34:55,742 随着数字技术持续改变我们讲故事的本质 As digital continues to change the nature of story-telling 1730 01:34:55,743 --> 01:34:57,274 我们也在改变 We also continue to change 1731 01:34:57,275 --> 01:34:59,875 甚至这种改变我自己都不能理解 In ways that I could not even understand 1732 01:35:00,154 --> 01:35:04,565 不过所有的都在改变，这就成了一场巨大的变革 But all things do that and it becomes a giant revolution 1733 01:35:05,502 --> 01:35:10,425 人们喜欢好故事，好故事能带他们去从未体验过的世界 People love great stories, they let them getting into the world they haven’t experienced 1734 01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:16,044 至于是怎么去的，我觉得并不重要 And how they get there, it doesn’t really matter 1735 01:35:16,736 --> 01:35:20,083 我们开始使用数字技术到如今的程度，并不意味着停滞不前了 One shouldn’t even think we stop when now we reach digital this is it 1736 01:35:21,122 --> 01:35:24,883 完全不是，想想看娱乐形式如何表现 No, no, think about where the entertainment imports 1737 01:35:24,884 --> 01:35:27,809 大众需求又何去何从 Where the need is going to go 1738 01:35:27,810 --> 01:35:31,896 您能感觉到技术上您所在的位置吗？ Do you feel technologically with where you are 1739 01:35:31,897 --> 01:35:33,103 您是否觉得自由？ Dou you feel free 1740 01:35:33,104 --> 01:35:35,843 我不认为我想要去感觉 I’m not sure that I ever want to feel 1741 01:35:35,844 --> 01:35:39,373 我们已经到达了某处，从技术上讲 that we arrived, technologically 1742 01:35:39,374 --> 01:35:41,978 我觉得我们总能做得更好 I always feel that there is something we can do better 1743 01:35:42,000 --> 01:35:46,483 我们的前辈给了世界去梦想的新时代 The people who coming to us gave the world new ace to dream 1744 01:35:46,780 --> 01:35:49,380 我认为我们要继续他们的事业 I think it’s our job to continue that 1745 01:35:49,381 --> 01:35:52,306 继续给人们创造梦想 and to try to give people new ace to dream 1746 01:35:52,637 --> 01:35:56,027 所有最后都会回归到一件事 Everything comes down to one thing 1747 01:35:56,028 --> 01:35:58,860 如果你用心去做 If you do something with your heart 1748 01:35:58,860 --> 01:36:02,907 如果你能够让我们感受到它 if you do something convince us to feel about it 1749 01:36:03,424 --> 01:36:06,443 那你用什么做到的并不重要 It doesn’t matter what you using